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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #180 on: February 07, 2012, 03:49:56 PM »
to me it looks like insecurities and this might explain the whole chabad in your face mehalech come to think of it

In your face?

dan closing down this thread will not make you look weak or incapable of defending your hashgafa ,

Why does he need to defend his hashkafa? Telling him he needs to defnd it imples you're attacking him, why are you doing so?

if you dont close it will get out of hand

Is that a threat? What do you suggest he should do then?
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #181 on: February 07, 2012, 03:52:40 PM »
Care to be more specific?
At any rate lubavitchers also threw parties when the rebbe himself died, so I'm not sure what we're trying to prove.
Are you for real?
I'd rather not be specific.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #182 on: February 07, 2012, 03:53:27 PM »

Is that a threat? What do you suggest he should do then?
it wasn't a threat, it was a prediction
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #183 on: February 07, 2012, 03:55:19 PM »
thank you lamdan, ashero you sound ready to explode

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #184 on: February 07, 2012, 03:56:03 PM »
thank you lamdan, ashero you sound ready to explode

I'm not looking to explode. But it I was it would be due to some people's lack of respect in this thread.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #185 on: February 07, 2012, 03:59:00 PM »
if the 2 satmars had this discusion going it would look alot worse so far this is respectful but we both know most of our ammunition is being held in reserve

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #186 on: February 07, 2012, 04:00:53 PM »
most of our ammunition is being held in reserve
that's exactly what i'm very worried about.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #187 on: February 07, 2012, 04:05:03 PM »
From my view anyone, I don't care how great, learned, and holy someone is, but if they baselessly call my flavor of Orthodox Judaism a “cult” and "the religion closest to Judaism" and my rebbe "the madman who sits in New York and drives the whole world crazy" then I will say that person is spewing sinas chinum.
you are apparently not aware of the issues. you disagree with him, but it definitely was not baseless

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #188 on: February 07, 2012, 04:08:47 PM »
if the 2 satmars had this discusion going it would look alot worse so far this is respectful but we both know most of our ammunition is being held in reserve

I don't have any ammunition, you're Jewish and I love you for that. I disagree with you on some of the issues discussed in this thread, and I feel bad for you that you don't know how to have a respectful conversation, no ammo though.

you are apparently not aware of the issues. you disagree with him, but it definitely was not baseless

It's not baseless to call the Rebbe a madman?
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #189 on: February 07, 2012, 04:18:28 PM »
the ammo is not against you my fellow jew

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #190 on: February 07, 2012, 04:19:04 PM »
the ammo is not against you my fellow jew

Then which fellow Jew is it against? Why ammo against any fellow Jew?
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #191 on: February 07, 2012, 04:25:44 PM »
Then which fellow Jew is it against? Why ammo against any fellow Jew?
+1 and exactly the problem with this entire thread.  Every other post is trying to attack a fellow Jew.
I'm not going to lock this thread in case the OP wants to post his Rabbi's response, but let's refrain from any further attacks that don't have to do with clarifying the halachic position on the belief that someone who was niftar may be moshiach.
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Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #192 on: February 07, 2012, 04:28:48 PM »
+1 and exactly the problem with this entire thread.  Every other post is trying to attack a fellow Jew.
I'm not going to lock this thread in case the OP wants to post his Rabbi's response, but let's refrain from any further attacks that don't have to do with clarifying the halachic position on the belief that someone who was niftar may be moshiach.
+1
As stated on the second post this was gonna get out of hand :)
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #193 on: February 07, 2012, 04:42:55 PM »
Please, whoever has anything to say, do not denigrate other's Gedolim. Whatever you think of Putin, he is my president and prime minister for life! When talking to me, it is very disrespectful to refer to him in a derogatory way. Got it?

The only way I got someone to talk respectfully (when having this huge argument in Tzfas, in the Yeshiva) was showing this guy how it feels if you talk about their Gadol the way they talk about your Gadol. "Do you know what they say about ... and the stories they say about him when he was in ...??"

This means - do not say shach or shneorson or ganav or sinas chinum etc. you may not change the way you think about someone but at least temper the way you talk about them.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #194 on: February 07, 2012, 04:48:00 PM »
This means - do not say shach or shneorson or ganav or sinas chinum etc. you may not change the way you think about someone but at least temper the way you talk about them.

I ain't got no skin in this fight, but I gotta agree with that.
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