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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #320 on: January 09, 2013, 04:36:03 PM »
True only if you don't consider Chassidism in general to be mainstream Judaism...
No other chasidus do any actions to make a deceased human proud, they make a yhoutzeit seuda and thats it. maybe learn mishnayos.
Its one thing to follow teaching of a rebbe who teaches us HOW to serve one god.- This is normative chasidus and yiddishkeit.
 Not actually to serve the rabbi.

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #321 on: January 09, 2013, 04:37:53 PM »
No other chasidus do any actions to make a deceased human proud, they make a yhoutzeit seuda and thats it. maybe learn mishnayos.
Its one thing to follow teaching of a rebbe who teaches us HOW to serve one god.- This is normative chasidus and yiddishkeit.
 Not actually to serve the rabbi.
Read in your previous post you didn't mention anything about deceased...

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #322 on: January 09, 2013, 04:41:31 PM »
Ok,  I dont wanna get get shlept into this whole debate... I love all jews. Peace

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #323 on: January 09, 2013, 04:45:42 PM »
Same here I actually promised myself I would not answer your next post but hey who can resist in the face of such love...  :) ;) :D ;D :-*

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #324 on: January 09, 2013, 04:51:43 PM »
Practice what you preach.
Love it.  Accuse tens of thousands of your fellow jews, myself included, of being heretics.  Get angry when they dare respond in kind.

Not actually to serve the rabbi.
Serve him? Really now? This is the same twisted brainwashed garbage that led me to prematurely leave CLE and skip a grade to switch to a Chabad mesivta in the first place.

Lubavitchers continue to do what the Rebbe wanted because he was a holy man and he helped us connect with Gd, just like any other chasidim.

The fact that he isn't alive anymore (and didn't have kids) doesn't affect his vision or our desire to fulfill that vision, thereby giving him nachas in heaven.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #325 on: January 09, 2013, 05:02:10 PM »
@Non-Lubavitch chasidim

Would you say (from what you know) that Chabad has a closer relationship with their Rebbe than your movement has with yours?
It's a tough question since they are one of the only major movements with no living Rebbe that still thrives, so it's not an even playing field, but I'd be interested in your thoughts.
(The only other one I can think of is Breslov, but they're a different story. Any others?)

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #326 on: January 09, 2013, 05:04:58 PM »
Dynasties without an active leader but with thousands of followers besides Chabad and Breslov?
I don't think such a thing exists.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #327 on: January 09, 2013, 05:12:12 PM »
Dynasties without an active leader but with thousands of followers besides Chabad and Breslov?
I don't think such a thing exists.
Didn't think so.
Breslov appears to be different b/c they haven't had a titular leader in some time. For Chabad, it's a more recent phenomenon.

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #328 on: January 09, 2013, 09:07:24 PM »
Good Times Drago ................

you could still daven at a chabad shul definitely one of the more welcoming shuls around the world its a shame that your teacher told you not to go cause your missing out ..........

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #329 on: January 09, 2013, 11:53:29 PM »
Love it.  Accuse tens of thousands of your fellow jews, myself included, of being heretics.  Get angry when they dare respond in kind.
Who accused - me? I was just telling you to stop cursing someone out for being brainwashed etc. if you don't let harsh language on the forums.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #330 on: January 10, 2013, 12:04:25 AM »
400 years later, are chasidim really the biggest threat to mainstream judaism?
Obviously not, that doesn't necessarily man it's right.

But what are you complaining about. One of the best things that happened to chassidus and partially what originally gave it staying power were the attacks from the misnagdim
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #331 on: January 10, 2013, 01:49:53 AM »
Good Times Drago ................

you could still daven at a chabad shul definitely one of the more welcoming shuls around the world its a shame that your teacher told you not to go cause your missing out ..........
I've since moved, but when I was still in CLE, I took advantage of their mikvah, and an early minyan I davened with used their sanctuary on simachas torah.

Interestingly, the yishuv I live on now, had an interesting chabad story from a few yrs back.
The local chabad was becoming increasingly meshichist, so the shul Rav, who was against it, closed down the chabad so he could get rid of the group. It's since been reopened w/o those ppl, who started their own minyan elsewhere.

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #332 on: January 10, 2013, 11:12:58 AM »
Obviously not, that doesn't necessarily man it's right.

But what are you complaining about. One of the best things that happened to chassidus and partially what originally gave it staying power were the attacks from the misnagdim

The attacks from misnagdim resulted in the deaths and imprisonments of too many... hardly something to cheer for. Those were dark days, may Jews never bring such times on each other again.

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #333 on: January 10, 2013, 11:18:03 AM »
may Jews never bring such times on each other again.
+100

It's unfortunate that we now witness divisiveness in both the misnagid and chasidish communities.
(Satmer vs. Satmer, or the Ponevich / R. Shteinmann-R. Aurbach issues) So incredibly sad... 

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #334 on: January 10, 2013, 11:24:25 AM »
+100

It's unfortunate that we now witness divisiveness in both the misnagid and chasidish communities.
(Satmer vs. Satmer, or the Ponevich / R. Shteinmann-R. Aurbach issues) So incredibly sad...

When Jews stand strong together, we can overcome anything.. the opposite is unfortunately also true

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #335 on: January 12, 2013, 11:30:36 PM »
Lamdan has 770 posts.  :o :o
that misnagid better post something fast or he might freeze that way!  :P :P
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #336 on: January 13, 2013, 12:53:19 AM »
Lamdan has 770 posts.  :o :o
that misnagid better post something fast or he might freeze that way!  :P :P
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #337 on: January 13, 2013, 10:29:52 AM »
Posting in just shmooze isn't going to help you.  You will stay at 770 :D

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #338 on: January 13, 2013, 10:54:52 AM »
Just to add a line i heard a good thought,
How is it tht the vilner goen tht was by all means a ball ruach hakodesh and so was the bal hatanye a bal ruach hakodesh, how come they couldn't see eye to eye and know which way is right.
The answer is because they had ruach hakodesh they both where able to see 200 years ahead in time, the groo looked ahead and saw wht chasidus in our days will look like, he couldn't take it, and fought it with al his strength, and the alter rebbe saw the way misnagdim will look like today so he kept on to his derech trying to save the future ???

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #339 on: January 13, 2013, 11:16:19 AM »
Sorry, but Judaism today (and even "misdagsdim") without Chassidus would look very very different.
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