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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #315 on: January 09, 2013, 03:06:40 PM »
It's not my primary issue. I was simply responding to the previous posting.
It bothers me, but not too much.
Especially when I put it into context of how s/o may say that they're donating tzedaka in memory/honor of their parents. While this is different that the 'nachas' bit, it's at least on the same page.

I've heard plenty of times people speaking about giving 'Nachas' to deceased parents/relatives.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #316 on: January 09, 2013, 03:59:44 PM »
+1
Was going to say that. Saying Daven and make the Rebbe proud is not ascribing G-dliness to the Rebbe Ch"V rather to make someone dear to you proud (aside for the fact that you hear plenty of "make Hashem proud" too).
While there may be a concept of giving nachas to a deceased parent or rebbeh (its a complex sugia in berochos, whether the dead know at all whats happening in this world...) Never in mainstream judaism has any sect taught the children from a young age, constantly to make some human being proud. This is clearly strange, they basically act like they are serving two gods, if you think about it. ..

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #317 on: January 09, 2013, 04:09:42 PM »
While there may be a concept of giving nachas to a deceased parent or rebbeh (its a complex sugia in berochos, whether the dead know at all whats happening in this world...) Never in mainstream judaism has any sect taught the children from a young age, constantly to make some human being proud. This is clearly strange, they basically act like they are serving two gods, if you think about it.
Typical brainwashed misnagdishe BS repeating party lines.  A Rebbe-Chosid relationship is what misnagdim fought centuries ago thinking it wasn't mainstream judaism.  This is nothing new.
400 years later, are chasidim really the biggest threat to mainstream judaism?
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #318 on: January 09, 2013, 04:16:31 PM »
Never in mainstream judaism...
True only if you don't consider Chassidism in general to be mainstream Judaism...
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #319 on: January 09, 2013, 04:20:44 PM »
Typical brainwashed misnagdishe BS repeating party lines.  A Rebbe-Chosid relationship is what misnagdim fought centuries ago thinking it wasn't mainstream judaism.  This is nothing new.
400 years later, are chasidim really the biggest threat to mainstream judaism?

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Practice what you preach.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #320 on: January 09, 2013, 04:36:03 PM »
True only if you don't consider Chassidism in general to be mainstream Judaism...
No other chasidus do any actions to make a deceased human proud, they make a yhoutzeit seuda and thats it. maybe learn mishnayos.
Its one thing to follow teaching of a rebbe who teaches us HOW to serve one god.- This is normative chasidus and yiddishkeit.
 Not actually to serve the rabbi.

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #321 on: January 09, 2013, 04:37:53 PM »
No other chasidus do any actions to make a deceased human proud, they make a yhoutzeit seuda and thats it. maybe learn mishnayos.
Its one thing to follow teaching of a rebbe who teaches us HOW to serve one god.- This is normative chasidus and yiddishkeit.
 Not actually to serve the rabbi.
Read in your previous post you didn't mention anything about deceased...
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #322 on: January 09, 2013, 04:41:31 PM »
Ok,  I dont wanna get get shlept into this whole debate... I love all jews. Peace

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #323 on: January 09, 2013, 04:45:42 PM »
Same here I actually promised myself I would not answer your next post but hey who can resist in the face of such love...  :) ;) :D ;D :-*
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #324 on: January 09, 2013, 04:51:43 PM »
Practice what you preach.
Love it.  Accuse tens of thousands of your fellow jews, myself included, of being heretics.  Get angry when they dare respond in kind.

Not actually to serve the rabbi.
Serve him? Really now? This is the same twisted brainwashed garbage that led me to prematurely leave CLE and skip a grade to switch to a Chabad mesivta in the first place.

Lubavitchers continue to do what the Rebbe wanted because he was a holy man and he helped us connect with Gd, just like any other chasidim.

The fact that he isn't alive anymore (and didn't have kids) doesn't affect his vision or our desire to fulfill that vision, thereby giving him nachas in heaven.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #325 on: January 09, 2013, 05:02:10 PM »
@Non-Lubavitch chasidim

Would you say (from what you know) that Chabad has a closer relationship with their Rebbe than your movement has with yours?
It's a tough question since they are one of the only major movements with no living Rebbe that still thrives, so it's not an even playing field, but I'd be interested in your thoughts.
(The only other one I can think of is Breslov, but they're a different story. Any others?)

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #326 on: January 09, 2013, 05:04:58 PM »
Dynasties without an active leader but with thousands of followers besides Chabad and Breslov?
I don't think such a thing exists.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #327 on: January 09, 2013, 05:12:12 PM »
Dynasties without an active leader but with thousands of followers besides Chabad and Breslov?
I don't think such a thing exists.
Didn't think so.
Breslov appears to be different b/c they haven't had a titular leader in some time. For Chabad, it's a more recent phenomenon.

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #328 on: January 09, 2013, 09:07:24 PM »
Good Times Drago ................

you could still daven at a chabad shul definitely one of the more welcoming shuls around the world its a shame that your teacher told you not to go cause your missing out ..........

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #329 on: January 09, 2013, 11:53:29 PM »
Love it.  Accuse tens of thousands of your fellow jews, myself included, of being heretics.  Get angry when they dare respond in kind.
Who accused - me? I was just telling you to stop cursing someone out for being brainwashed etc. if you don't let harsh language on the forums.
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