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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #500 on: January 15, 2013, 07:35:26 PM »
Sorry but you're average crown heightser is not a wacko.  The Taliban are the wackos.
Sorry, I was equating meshichist and wacko.  What adjective would you use to describe them?

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #501 on: January 15, 2013, 07:38:40 PM »
Sorry, I was equating meshichist and wacko.  What adjective would you use to describe them?
As long as they're not bothering me and not acting like the taliban why should I care? Live and let live.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #502 on: January 15, 2013, 07:41:22 PM »
Man! I told myself I'm not getting dragged into this again...

Why did you have to revive this thread?!
I like Dan and everyone else here too much.  Why am I getting involved?! ???

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #503 on: January 15, 2013, 07:41:34 PM »
Then I suggest you open a Tanya ;)
and you think the basketball game charade is what he intended?  maybe it's time you got a rebbe to teach you how to learn tanya ;)

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #504 on: January 15, 2013, 07:43:29 PM »
and you think the basketball game charade is what he intended?  maybe it's time you got a rebbe to teach you how to learn tanya ;)
Your shtechs are just oh so cute.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #505 on: January 15, 2013, 07:44:56 PM »
Your shtechs are just oh so cute.
as cute as it was, it was also very serious.       if that's how you're understanding the tanya, you need to be learning with a rebbe (and i'm not alluding to a new "rebbe," just speaking straight).     

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #506 on: January 15, 2013, 07:48:21 PM »
Our job is to bring Judaism down to the lowest levels that we can to make a dira lo yisbareich b'tachtonim.

The A"R says we can't do that for klipah gamor, but klipas nogah is fair game.
If bringing Judaism to a basketball game, something that is klipas nogah, and reaching Jews via that manner will perhaps convince 1 more Jew at the game to light a menorah  that can tip the scales, so be it.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #507 on: January 15, 2013, 08:08:38 PM »
i think you, and the chabadskers (on this thread) in general, are a bit delusional about the rebbes effect on yidden.  he effected his chassidim, (as every rebbe should), and he effected many frya yidden through kiruv/shluchim.        i'm not sure why you all think that made him a leader for jewry, when most to all of frum jewry did not take him on as a leader in any form, or receive any positive effect from him.    but hey, whatever keeps you happy.

You, sir, are more than just a bit delusional. Frum Jewry hasn't received any positive effect from him?!?!?!?! Come on?!?!  :o :o :o ???

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #508 on: January 15, 2013, 08:12:03 PM »
You, sir, are more than just a bit delusional. Frum Jewry hasn't received any positive effect from him?!?!?!?! Come on?!?!  :o :o :o ???
It's pointless arguing with people like him.  That type will enjoy a minyan with fresh food in Timbuktu and then spit on their way out.  I've seen it with my own 2 eyes.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #509 on: January 15, 2013, 08:25:14 PM »
It's pointless arguing with people like him.  That type will enjoy a minyan with fresh food in Timbuktu and then spit on their way out.  I've seen it with my own 2 eyes.

I just couldn't let such a shocking, patent falsehood be voiced without a response.

A boy that was indoctrinated to hate Lubavitch once told a Lubavitcher boy:"My father hates your Rebbe".
The Lubavitcher boy answered:"and my Rebbe loves your father". This is a conversation that actually took place.

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #510 on: January 15, 2013, 08:49:20 PM »
It's pointless arguing with people like him.  That type will enjoy a minyan with fresh food in Timbuktu and then spit on their way out.  I've seen it with my own 2 eyes.
See here http://www.ou.org/torah/article/ensuring_that_emes_prevails_in_the_avodah_hakodesh_of_kashrus#.UPYF9ic0WSo
where Rav Shmuel Kamenetzky who is about as litvish as they come (not the one from Russia ;)) talks -at 2:30 -  about being makir tov to chabad for the hashgacha they do in the middle of no where.  It's interesting he mentioned it - doesn't seem to be any ulterior motives.

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #511 on: January 15, 2013, 08:54:59 PM »
How does having a new leader preclude wanting moshiach? Didn't everyone want moshiach to come while the Rebbe was alive?
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #512 on: January 15, 2013, 08:55:25 PM »
Why do I think Moshe Rabeinu, The Ba'al HaTanya, The GR"A or any other Gadol any of us hold dear wouldn't approve of this thread?
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #513 on: January 15, 2013, 08:59:00 PM »
How egotistical does a sect have to be, to think that only their Rebbe can be Moshiach, and if their Rebbe has no son, then he must be moshiach.

#juststatingtheobvious
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #514 on: January 15, 2013, 09:00:35 PM »
I like Dan and everyone else here too much.  Why am I getting involved?! ???
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #515 on: January 15, 2013, 09:04:29 PM »
How egotistical does a sect have to be, to think that only their Rebbe can be Moshiach, and if their Rebbe has no son, then he must be moshiach.

#juststatingtheobvious
How egotistical one must be, to presume they know the thoughts of an entire sect.
Newsflash: Nobody thinks that only he can be moshiach or that he must be moshiach to the exclusion of anyone else.  100% of lubavitchers would accept anyone revealed to be moshiach as I've said many times.
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Re: Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #516 on: January 15, 2013, 09:06:12 PM »
How egotistical does a sect have to be, to think that only their Rebbe can be Moshiach, and if their Rebbe has no son, then he must be moshiach.

#juststatingtheobvious


How is THAT what you understood from this whole conversation?
"Not all who wander are lost"

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #517 on: January 15, 2013, 09:07:58 PM »
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yes because the rebbe said if I'm not mistaken this is the last generation before moshiach and it's up to us and he did what he could. A new leader would mean that there's more to he can do.
In any case once everyone saw that the rebbe had no kids etc they thought this must be the end and moshiach for sure will come

How egotistical one must be, to presume they know the thoughts of an entire sect.
Newsflash: Nobody thinks that only he can be moshiach or that he must be moshiach to the exclusion of anyone else.  100% of lubavitchers would accept anyone revealed to be moshiach as I've said many times.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #518 on: January 15, 2013, 09:08:29 PM »
Huh?
Where did cbs say in that quote that the Rebbe had to be moshiach??
Sure he may be.  But has to be??
All he said is that the time is now (cue Avraham Fried)


How is THAT what you understood from this whole conversation?
Because he doesn't care to listen.
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Re: Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #519 on: January 15, 2013, 09:09:01 PM »


And where exactly does it say there that the Rebbe was/must be Moshiach?
"Not all who wander are lost"