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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #510 on: January 15, 2013, 08:49:20 PM »
It's pointless arguing with people like him.  That type will enjoy a minyan with fresh food in Timbuktu and then spit on their way out.  I've seen it with my own 2 eyes.
See here http://www.ou.org/torah/article/ensuring_that_emes_prevails_in_the_avodah_hakodesh_of_kashrus#.UPYF9ic0WSo
where Rav Shmuel Kamenetzky who is about as litvish as they come (not the one from Russia ;)) talks -at 2:30 -  about being makir tov to chabad for the hashgacha they do in the middle of no where.  It's interesting he mentioned it - doesn't seem to be any ulterior motives.

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #511 on: January 15, 2013, 08:54:59 PM »
How does having a new leader preclude wanting moshiach? Didn't everyone want moshiach to come while the Rebbe was alive?
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #512 on: January 15, 2013, 08:55:25 PM »
Why do I think Moshe Rabeinu, The Ba'al HaTanya, The GR"A or any other Gadol any of us hold dear wouldn't approve of this thread?
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #513 on: January 15, 2013, 08:59:00 PM »
How egotistical does a sect have to be, to think that only their Rebbe can be Moshiach, and if their Rebbe has no son, then he must be moshiach.

#juststatingtheobvious
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #514 on: January 15, 2013, 09:00:35 PM »
I like Dan and everyone else here too much.  Why am I getting involved?! ???
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #515 on: January 15, 2013, 09:04:29 PM »
How egotistical does a sect have to be, to think that only their Rebbe can be Moshiach, and if their Rebbe has no son, then he must be moshiach.

#juststatingtheobvious
How egotistical one must be, to presume they know the thoughts of an entire sect.
Newsflash: Nobody thinks that only he can be moshiach or that he must be moshiach to the exclusion of anyone else.  100% of lubavitchers would accept anyone revealed to be moshiach as I've said many times.
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Re: Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #516 on: January 15, 2013, 09:06:12 PM »
How egotistical does a sect have to be, to think that only their Rebbe can be Moshiach, and if their Rebbe has no son, then he must be moshiach.

#juststatingtheobvious


How is THAT what you understood from this whole conversation?
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #517 on: January 15, 2013, 09:07:58 PM »
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yes because the rebbe said if I'm not mistaken this is the last generation before moshiach and it's up to us and he did what he could. A new leader would mean that there's more to he can do.
In any case once everyone saw that the rebbe had no kids etc they thought this must be the end and moshiach for sure will come

How egotistical one must be, to presume they know the thoughts of an entire sect.
Newsflash: Nobody thinks that only he can be moshiach or that he must be moshiach to the exclusion of anyone else.  100% of lubavitchers would accept anyone revealed to be moshiach as I've said many times.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #518 on: January 15, 2013, 09:08:29 PM »
Huh?
Where did cbs say in that quote that the Rebbe had to be moshiach??
Sure he may be.  But has to be??
All he said is that the time is now (cue Avraham Fried)


How is THAT what you understood from this whole conversation?
Because he doesn't care to listen.
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Re: Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #519 on: January 15, 2013, 09:09:01 PM »


And where exactly does it say there that the Rebbe was/must be Moshiach?
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #520 on: January 15, 2013, 09:10:34 PM »
How egotistical one must be, to presume they know the thoughts of an entire sect.
Newsflash: Nobody thinks that only he can be moshiach or that he must be moshiach to the exclusion of anyone else.  100% of lubavitchers would accept anyone revealed to be moshiach as I've said many times.
that's a flat out lie. I've spoken to many lubavitchers who believe tht only he can be moshiach. And gave me the bechezkas moshiach BS, saying he was lochem milchamos, and screwing up a Rambam, stop lying.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #521 on: January 15, 2013, 09:12:45 PM »
that's a flat out lie. I've spoken to many lubavitchers who believe tht only he can be moshiach. And gave me the bechezkas moshiach BS, saying he was lochem milchamos, and screwing up a Rambam, stop lying.
Those are the wackos, that's not mainstream thought.  Find me a non-Israeli shliach that says that.
Or better yet ask those people what would happen if someone else was revealed to be moshiach.

But nice way to castigate hundreds of thousands of fellow jews without even a thought of being dan l'kaf zchus.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #522 on: January 15, 2013, 09:16:10 PM »
Those are the wackos, that's not mainstream thought.  Find me a non-Israeli shliach that says that.
Or better yet ask those people what would happen if someone else was revealed to be moshiach.
The whole Chabad believed he was moshiach when the rebbe was alive, with the cheshbon that the 7th chabadsker rebbe is moshiach, and he's the nasi hador. Lately it's kept inside the heart. I think that's an egotistical sect. I'm sorry. It doesn't make you egotisitcal, I have nothing against you, it makes your sect's ideology egotistical.

Do you mind that I'm telling you my true feelings, I could hold back my real feelings, like i've been doing till now on this thread, and many others are still doing, and i may start doing again.
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Re: Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #523 on: January 15, 2013, 09:17:29 PM »
  Find me a non-Israeli shliach that says that.


Are there more Israelis that think like that?
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #524 on: January 15, 2013, 09:20:38 PM »
Those are the wackos, that's not mainstream thought.  Find me a non-Israeli shliach that says that.
Or better yet ask those people what would happen if someone else was revealed to be moshiach.

But nice way to castigate hundreds of thousands of fellow jews without even a thought of being dan l'kaf zchus.
I walked around Crown heights when i was young, about 15 years ago, shmoozing with tens and tens of people, walking into dozens of random sukkahs, and EVERY SINGLE PERSON TOLD ME THIS!!! Stop with your revisionist history. You couldn't find a chabadske in the NY or Israel that didn't say these things, I've shmoozed with enough lubavitchers to know that it wasn't just a minority.
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