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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #540 on: January 15, 2013, 09:48:43 PM »
I explained that each ones rebbe was qualified. So are you saying that the Lubavitcher Rebbe wasn't qualified or are you saying that were not egotistical?
1. Show me the gemara
2. prove to me the reason why each one thought their rebi was moshiach was just bec. they were qualified, and they held that if your rebbe is qualified then you should believe he's moshiach.
then i will continue this conversation
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #541 on: January 15, 2013, 09:50:04 PM »
I've been in chabad yeshivos for 8 years, including both mishichist and anti-meshichist yeshivas.
Not once did I hear this business you're saying that the Rebbe had to be moshiach from any teachers or friends. Not once.
Maybe before Gimmel Tamuz, but not now. Except by the wackos who are a tiny minority.
 
I'm not denying that we'd love to have the Rebbe as moshiach, but that he has to be moshiach?
You are dead wrong.
does that make it any less egotistical?
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #542 on: January 15, 2013, 09:51:54 PM »
I've been in chabad yeshivos for 8 years, including both mishichist and anti-meshichist yeshivas.
Not once did I hear this business you're saying that the Rebbe had to be moshiach from any teachers or friends. Not once.
Maybe before Gimmel Tamuz, but not now. Except by the wackos who are a tiny minority.
 
I'm not denying that we'd love to have the Rebbe as moshiach, but that he has to be moshiach?
You are dead wrong.
in the mishichist yeshivos they didn't say that the rebbe was mashiach?
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #543 on: January 15, 2013, 09:54:43 PM »
in the mishichist yeshivos they didn't say that the rebbe was mashiach?
They may want him to be moshiach, but he does not have to be moshiach.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #544 on: January 15, 2013, 09:57:19 PM »
Gotta run.

B4 I go, I just want to say, that I love Lubavitchers and all other yidden equally. If any chabadske, i don't care if his yarmulke says yechi etc. ever is stuck in lakewood and wants a place to stay, i'll gladly host them, as i think you would me. And that's why I'm optimistic that moshiach is on his way. Because as much as we disagree almost any yid would go out of his way to help a fellow yid, a litvack would help out a lubavitcher, a satmerer would help out a mizrachi. MI KE'AMCHA YISRAEL!!!!!

WE WANT MOSHIACH NOW. WETHER HE'S LUBAVITCH OR YEMENITE OR WHATEVER. JUST BRING HIM NOW! KLAK YISRAEL SUFFERED ENOUGH!!

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Re: Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #545 on: January 15, 2013, 09:57:47 PM »
They may want him to be moshiach, but he does not have to be moshiach.

Just out of curiosity how exactly did it come to be that some people started believing the Rebbe might be Moshiach?
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #546 on: January 15, 2013, 09:59:15 PM »
Just out of curiosity how exactly did it come to be that some people started believing the Rebbe might be Moshiach?
The Rambam lists simanim for a possible moshiach, I'll let other more proficient in those sections to tackle that.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #547 on: January 15, 2013, 10:01:04 PM »
Just out of curiosity how exactly did it come to be that some people started believing the Rebbe might be Moshiach?
I was actually reading my Great Great Grandfather's memoirs (A Chossid of the Rebbe Rasha"b) and he writes that in HIS days Chassidim believed it.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #548 on: January 15, 2013, 10:03:26 PM »
The Rambam lists simanim for a possible moshiach, I'll let other more proficient in those sections to tackle that.
I'm think I or others answered these questions up thread with sources. Most of the today's questions were answered up thread or can easily be googled if people want to.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #549 on: January 15, 2013, 10:05:31 PM »
Just out of curiosity how exactly did it come to be that some people started believing the Rebbe might be Moshiach?
Additionally most chasidim typically believe their Rebbe can be moshiach.
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Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #550 on: January 15, 2013, 10:10:34 PM »
1. Show me the gemara
2. prove to me the reason why each one thought their rebi was moshiach was just bec. they were qualified, and they held that if your rebbe is qualified then you should believe he's moshiach.
then i will continue this conversation

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Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #551 on: January 15, 2013, 10:12:17 PM »
Additionally most chasidim typically believe their Rebbe can be moshiach.
+1 as I said its a gemara
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #552 on: January 15, 2013, 10:16:41 PM »
1. Show me the gemara
2. prove to me the reason why each one thought their rebi was moshiach was just bec. they were qualified, and they held that if your rebbe is qualified then you should believe he's moshiach.
then i will continue this conversation
1. Sanhedrin 98b
2. None of them brought any qualification other than that the name matches a Passuk that speaks about Moshiach (yes. Menachem is included)
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #553 on: January 15, 2013, 10:28:01 PM »
1. Show me the gemara
2. prove to me the reason why each one thought their rebi was moshiach was just bec. they were qualified, and they held that if your rebbe is qualified then you should believe he's moshiach.
then i will continue this conversation
Sounds like a good idea, let's stop it here  :P

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #554 on: January 15, 2013, 10:32:10 PM »
Don't want to get involved but I can tell you that a child of a shliach in a place where many on the forums have been told my wife that he sees the rebbe. You (non believers) can't see him but we can see him
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