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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #585 on: January 16, 2013, 12:11:35 AM »
I support that motion
Maybe just delete it altogether
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #586 on: January 16, 2013, 12:15:05 AM »
I actually found it interesting and a bit informative
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #587 on: January 16, 2013, 12:16:22 AM »
I found it entertaining

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #588 on: January 16, 2013, 12:16:32 AM »
Has anything good come out of this thread?
Seems to me that nobody is going to change anyone's mind even one iota.

Should I lock it?
Maybe the fact that nothing good came out is a good reason to leave it as testament.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #589 on: January 16, 2013, 12:18:10 AM »
I actually found it interesting and a bit informative
If you don't mind my asking, what's your background and what did you find useful?
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #590 on: January 16, 2013, 12:19:16 AM »
I actually found it interesting and a bit informative
+1
Although the posts with specific names were a little much.

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #591 on: January 16, 2013, 12:20:18 AM »
I learned that many lubavitchers today have moderated their views about the Rebbe and Moshiach. This gives me great hope for the future of Chabad, the Chassidus founded by the Shulchan Aruch Harav, whom i'm absolutely obsessed with his shulchan aruch , and the gaonus that lies inside of it. I definitely was educated by this thread.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #592 on: January 16, 2013, 12:24:01 AM »
If you don't mind my asking, what's your background and what did you find useful?
i come from a Hungarian background, so chassidus isn't foreign to me, but went to (very) litvish yeshivas. Some of our closest family friends are lubavitch. And
I learned that many lubavitchers today have moderated their views about the Rebbe and Moshiach. This gives me great hope for the future of Chabad, the Chassidus founded by the Shulchan harav. I definitely was educated by this thread.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #593 on: January 16, 2013, 12:31:29 AM »
1. Sanhedrin 98b
2. None of them brought any qualification other than that the name matches a Passuk that speaks about Moshiach (yes. Menachem is included)
Not so pashut that that is the correct pshat in the gemara
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #594 on: January 16, 2013, 03:10:06 AM »
It's pointless arguing with people like him.  That type will enjoy a minyan with fresh food in Timbuktu and then spit on their way out.  I've seen it with my own 2 eyes.
pretty funny that you refer to "people like him," without knowing a thing about "people like him" other than that he thinks your ideology is problematic and that your rebbe wasnt the nasi hador.            unlike some people around here, i don't believe in bashing behind peoples backs, and if i wanted to spit, i would do it on the way in.

i would daven b'yichidus in timbuktu.  and i wouldn't eat the food of mishichists, not anywhere.   now you know a bit more about "people like him"

I fail to see how being even from the extreme mishichist camp would affect your kashrus.  Deluded, yes.  But it ain't kfira al pi halacha.
because if someone has a din of a tipish/shoteh, then they would not be reliable as far as kashrus is concerned. at least not in my book (or those of many others careful about what they eat).   

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #595 on: January 16, 2013, 03:28:15 AM »
no reason to lock the thread.

you have to appreciate the honest debate going on

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #596 on: January 16, 2013, 08:13:58 AM »
I say Lock the thread, anything civilized that can be said has been said. For sure we can all keep going in circles but the debate level can only deteriorate from here.  ;)

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #597 on: January 16, 2013, 08:21:30 AM »
I say Lock the thread, anything civilized that can be said has been said. For sure we can all keep going in circles but the debate level can only deteriorate from here.  ;)
so if and when it deteriorates, lock it; why now?

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #598 on: January 16, 2013, 08:35:50 AM »
Im about to take the gloves off  :D

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #599 on: January 16, 2013, 10:08:56 AM »
because if someone has a din of a tipish/shoteh, then they would not be reliable as far as kashrus is concerned. at least not in my book (or those of many others careful about what they eat).   
You are fooling yourself if you think you can eat from any hashgacha that does not employ them.