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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #660 on: January 16, 2013, 03:05:45 PM »

And I hope you don't drink any Bartenura wine btw ;)
why not? besides for gorelik, all bartenura is independently certified by the nitra rov, r' weissmandl

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #661 on: January 16, 2013, 03:06:08 PM »
I don't agree that chassidim believe their rebbe is mashiach, what part of that don't you understand?
1. It's not that you don't agree. You said it's a fact and that you aren't delusional, implying I am delusional.
2. Dan quoted other chassidim claiming their rebbe is moshiach. So if you are honest you'd admit your "facts" are wrong and that you are delusional.

For the record also Vizhnits have strong feelings of their Rebbe being moshiach (I am friends with a chossid, who told me this.) also there is a large group of bresslovers who believe their current rav is moshiach (they are polish style not na nach) Some breslovers believe Rabbi nachman is moshiach.

Until you admit what you are clearly completely wrong about, I can not believe anything else you claim to be "facts". If you wouldn't have used such strong wording you can explain it away but you did use strong words...
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #662 on: January 16, 2013, 03:08:01 PM »
You're right. SI was lying about his own sect and the other sect he mentioned.
It's funny which stuff you're "mekabel" and which you're not.
A rebbe saying by a melava malka that they were so in awe of their rebbe that in their hearts they thought he was mashiach, has nothing to do with this BS, about believing that your rebbe is mashiach bec. he's your rebbe, that's just stand up comedy. ROFL LMAO, that you guys admit that you buy into that ideology, LMAO!!!!
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #663 on: January 16, 2013, 03:08:56 PM »
why not? besides for gorelik, all bartenura is independently certified by the nitra rov, r' weissmandl
I only see gorelik and hazan on my bottle at 2011 Moscato.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #664 on: January 16, 2013, 03:09:48 PM »
Do they have a response to it?
no clue, i dont get involved in these things
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #665 on: January 16, 2013, 03:10:01 PM »
A rebbe saying by a melava malka that they were so in awe of their rebbe that in their hearts they thought he was mashiach, has nothing to do with this BS, about believing that your rebbe is mashiach bec. he's your rebbe, that's just stand up comedy. ROFL LMAO, that you guys admit that you buy into that ideology, LMAO!!!!
To quote you "They don't think about who moshiach is." If they don't think about it then why are they saying it? This is besides the other groups I mentioned.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #666 on: January 16, 2013, 03:10:55 PM »
1. It's not that you don't agree. You said it's a fact and that you aren't delusional, implying I am delusional.

I was responding to Dan's accusation that I was delusional. Therefore I wasn't implying that you were delusional.


For the record also Vizhnits have strong feelings of their Rebbe being moshiach (I am friends with a chossid, who told me this.) also there is a large group of bresslovers who believe their current rav is moshiach (they are polish style not na nach) Some breslovers believe Rabbi nachman is moshiach.


As i said, there are a few guys that collect by the kosel who also think they know who mashiach is. LOL!! this ideology is just hillarious!
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #667 on: January 16, 2013, 03:11:09 PM »
For the record also Vizhnits have strong feelings of their Rebbe being moshiach (I am friends with a chossid, who told me this.)
im pretty sure that is incorrect

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #668 on: January 16, 2013, 03:11:49 PM »
I only see gorelik and hazan on my bottle at 2011 Moscato.
on the moscato its on the top of the cork

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #669 on: January 16, 2013, 03:12:03 PM »
so if and when it deteriorates, lock it; why now?
I think we've reached this point by now...
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #670 on: January 16, 2013, 03:12:50 PM »
I was responding to Dan's accusation that I was delusional. Therefore I wasn't implying that you were delusional.As i said, there are a few guys that collect by the kosel who also think they know who mashiach is. LOL!! this ideology is just hillarious!
I can't quote you enough I guess
They don't think about who moshiach is. The only people that think about who's a candidate for moshiach, are chabadskers, this is the facts, I am not delusional.
Just read what you wrote. What did you say the fact is? What fact did you say you are not delusional about?

And I'm talking about Vizhnitz Monsey.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #671 on: January 16, 2013, 03:16:42 PM »
I can't quote you enough I guess  Just read what you wrote. What did you say the fact is? What fact did you say you are not delusional about?

And I'm talking about Vizhnitz Monsey.
You said that if i write that i'm not delusional then i'm implying that you are. that is only true if i brought up the delusional word. but if you read earlier in the thread, dan called me delusional, i was telling him that i wasn't delusional, therefore i wasn't implying that your delusional. You are not delusional, your just desperate, desperate to make believe that chabad's beliefs are mainstream.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #672 on: January 16, 2013, 03:18:39 PM »
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #673 on: January 16, 2013, 03:19:13 PM »
I am just wondering how much of the debaters here have finished a single chasidish sefer that they find so funny that someone should believe that the tzadik hador is mashiach...

It's pretty simple, mashiach is going to be the manhig hador. Everybody has their own right to guess who the manhig hador is. And if Chabad decided that it's rebbe, what the hell do you care?
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #674 on: January 16, 2013, 03:19:24 PM »
You said that if i write that i'm not delusional then i'm implying that you are. that is only true if i brought up the delusional word. but if you read earlier in the thread, dan called me delusional, i was telling him that i wasn't delusional, therefore i wasn't implying that your delusional. You are not delusional, your just desperate, desperate to make believe that chabad's beliefs are mainstream.
I know that other groups besides Chabad believe their rebbe to be Moshiach. So according to you I am delusional. I've explained why I know I'm right and at least you should admit other groups think about it from the above quotes.

The rest of your post was from left field...
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