Author Topic: Dep. Of Government Efficiency (DOGE)  (Read 18610 times)

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Re: Dep. Of Government Efficiency (DOGE)
« Reply #180 on: February 18, 2025, 06:16:01 AM »
You'll be surprised how many dead people are collecting SS.
I personally know from family.
The kids called in multiple times that the person is deceased, and benefits are still flowing in.
They claw back all the monies once it's in the system.
You need to submit a form to the embassy if the death took place abroad.

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Re: Dep. Of Government Efficiency (DOGE)
« Reply #181 on: February 18, 2025, 07:47:57 AM »

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Re: Dep. Of Government Efficiency (DOGE)
« Reply #182 on: February 18, 2025, 11:26:09 AM »
https://nypost.com/2025/02/17/us-news/elon-musk-cries-fraud-on-20-million-in-social-security-database-over-age-100/
Confirms what Chuchem Ainer and Platinum Guy have said upthread.

It was pretty obvious right away that there aren't 20 million people above 100 receiving SS checks. What's less obvious is why there are 20 million people above 100 still active, when anyone can clean up 99.9% of this list in a day. What other benefits are being abused using millions of valid SS numbers for people that are dead?

And if they can't clean up a list of obvious dead people, how much fraud is occurring, both within SS and for other govt benefits, using SS numbers of younger age groups that aren't so obviously dead?
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Re: Dep. Of Government Efficiency (DOGE)
« Reply #183 on: February 18, 2025, 11:32:24 AM »
At one point in time I had a SS card and drivers license of a person well over 100. It was in a storage container I bought on Storage Treasures. I got offered money for it. I dont know what people planned on doing with it but clearly people have interest in.

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Re: Dep. Of Government Efficiency (DOGE)
« Reply #184 on: February 18, 2025, 11:41:36 AM »
https://x.com/JamesSurowiecki/status/1891656442920276222

https://x.com/devahaz/status/1891502238121505077
He didn't "make it seem" anything (not at you, at the first tweet guy). People not being able to read isn't his problem. Also are we supposed to feel good about $150M+ checks to impossibly old people a month

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Re: Dep. Of Government Efficiency (DOGE)
« Reply #185 on: February 18, 2025, 11:43:54 AM »
What other benefits are being abused using millions of valid SS numbers for people that are dead?
Bingo. If they think you're an alive person with 0 income and no house why can't you get every gov benefit out there?

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Re: Dep. Of Government Efficiency (DOGE)
« Reply #186 on: February 18, 2025, 12:00:05 PM »
Guess we'll see soon over here
https://doge.gov/savings
Now active.
Current claimed savings is $55 billion. So to this point, less than 1% of last years budget, and 5% of the goal of cutting 1 trillion.

« Last Edit: February 18, 2025, 12:04:32 PM by yfr bachur »

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Re: Dep. Of Government Efficiency (DOGE)
« Reply #187 on: February 18, 2025, 12:15:26 PM »
Now active.
Current claimed savings is $55 billion. So to this point, less than 1% of last years budget, and 5% of the goal of cutting 1 trillion.
It's a good start. This alone makes practically no difference to the budget, but if they continue and possibly increase the pace it will have a significant impact.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Dep. Of Government Efficiency (DOGE)
« Reply #188 on: February 18, 2025, 02:09:13 PM »
He didn't "make it seem" anything (not at you, at the first tweet guy). People not being able to read isn't his problem. Also are we supposed to feel good about $150M+ checks to impossibly old people a month

What's your source for $150m to impossibly old people?

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Re: Dep. Of Government Efficiency (DOGE)
« Reply #189 on: February 18, 2025, 02:47:13 PM »
What's your source for $150m to impossibly old people?
I was looking at the 99+ bucket of his chart

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Re: Dep. Of Government Efficiency (DOGE)
« Reply #190 on: February 18, 2025, 03:22:54 PM »
He didn't "make it seem" anything (not at you, at the first tweet guy). People not being able to read isn't his problem. Also are we supposed to feel good about $150M+ checks to impossibly old people a month
I was looking at the 99+ bucket of his chart
So $150m+ month is paid to 89k people over 99. That's not impossibly old. US census data seems to show more than that number of people 99+ alive in the US, though I couldn't find an exact number using google.

Elon Musk drops this "bombshell" that millions of people too old to be alive are listed in the SS database. We all happen to know that SS pays out billions of dollars every month. The link is not explicit but implied. You personally fell for the same implication when reading the NYpost article, confusing monies paid out to people listed, with the fact that fake people are listed.

Don't get me wrong, fraud and waste exist in every program at every level of government, and it's nice that someone is finally clearing house.

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Re: Dep. Of Government Efficiency (DOGE)
« Reply #191 on: February 18, 2025, 03:35:55 PM »
So $150m+ month is paid to 89k people over 99. That's not impossibly old. US census data seems to show more than that number of people 99+ alive in the US, though I couldn't find an exact number using google.

Elon Musk drops this "bombshell" that millions of people too old to be alive are listed in the SS database. We all happen to know that SS pays out billions of dollars every month. The link is not explicit but implied. You personally fell for the same implication when reading the NYpost article, confusing monies paid out to people listed, with the fact that fake people are listed.

Don't get me wrong, fraud and waste exist in every program at every level of government, and it's nice that someone is finally clearing house.
1. I agree there certainly can be that many people 99+ of age. I shouldn't have focused on that. My main issue with his tweet is his frustration at Musk showing the possibility of fraud for any entitlement, him misinterpreting it as a declaration of fraud for social security payments, and even then... doing nothing to disprove it (there is certainly rampant fraud in all those buckets, not just the 99+ btw)
2. Reminder that simply being old doesn't make you eligible for ss, don't ignore the criteria that you have to actually work and earn credits
3. Also you are focused on social security checks, when that is just one entitlement that is dependent on the social security database. The gov uses SS numbers for everything
4. Some of the people considered alive are 360+ years old, which means that they were most certainly dead in 1936 when social security numbers were first created. So are some people in the database just.. made up? Think of the ramifications of this

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Re: Dep. Of Government Efficiency (DOGE)
« Reply #195 on: February 19, 2025, 12:09:44 AM »
nothings impossible- the word itself says Im possible

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Re: Dep. Of Government Efficiency (DOGE)
« Reply #196 on: February 19, 2025, 12:51:22 AM »
why did she post this on this account and not libsoftiktok?

Because May is not a Lib. She is registered to the Federalist Party.
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Re: Dep. Of Government Efficiency (DOGE)
« Reply #199 on: February 20, 2025, 09:53:43 AM »
BREAKING!

Musk is considering splitting the savings done by DOGE with the taxpayers. $5000 per household.