2nd Israel - Hamas Hostage Deal Jan 2025

[yelped]

Blinken: We assess that Hamas has recruited almost as many new fighters as it has lost
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/blinken-we-assess-that-hamas-has-recruited-almost-as-many-new-fighters-as-it-has-lost/

Not the same having a bunch of teenagers. Just ask the Germans at the end of WW2.

[yfr bachur]

Not the same having a bunch of teenagers. Just ask the Germans at the end of WW2.

True, but that only holds true if you dont now give them the time and space to train them up...

[yelped]

True, but that only holds true if you dont now give them the time and space to train them up...

100%.

[EliJelly]

He's right, but Trump has a simplistic side "Look, I warned hell, and they made a deal".

The boss ordered a deal by inauguration day. The side which is close to the boss know they have more to lose if they continue to be kvetchy and choosey and not delivering him the deal.

[notyettaken]

The boss ordered a deal by inauguration day. The side which is close to the boss know they have more to lose if they continue to be kvetchy and choosey and not delivering him the deal.

Trump must know the first rule of bargaining: The one who wants it more loses.

[jye]

Maybe an unpopular opinion, but Israel already traded over 400 IDF soldiers for the hostages in Gaza by the way in which everything in the Gaza offensive was waged with an eye toward the hostages, despite putting so many more soldiers in harms way as opposed to attacking Hamas as if the hostages didn’t exist. Aside from the hundreds of IDF soldiers killed r”l and thousands maimed, this will virtually insure that no future large scale terror attack will be replete without mass hostage taking to hobble the counteroffensive. The current hostage deal is just furthering this.

[frenchfries]

Maybe an unpopular opinion, but Israel already traded over 400 IDF soldiers for the hostages in Gaza by the way in which everything in the Gaza offensive was waged with an eye toward the hostages, despite putting so many more soldiers in harms way as opposed to attacking Hamas as if the hostages didn’t exist. Aside from the hundreds of IDF soldiers killed r”l and thousands maimed, this will virtually insure that no future large scale terror attack will be replete without mass hostage taking to hobble the counteroffensive. The current hostage deal is just furthering this.

Couldn't agree more.

[EliJelly]

Maybe an unpopular opinion, but Israel already traded over 400 IDF soldiers for the hostages in Gaza by the way in which everything in the Gaza offensive was waged with an eye toward the hostages, despite putting so many more soldiers in harms way as opposed to attacking Hamas as if the hostages didn’t exist. Aside from the hundreds of IDF soldiers killed r”l and thousands maimed, this will virtually insure that no future large scale terror attack will be replete without mass hostage taking to hobble the counteroffensive. The current hostage deal is just furthering this.

Why unpopular? That's the whole point of taking hostages and unfortunately Hamas knew it all too well. They hide behind their babies for shelter, so much of a better insurance policy and negotiation tool when hiding behind Israeli innocent captives.

[Moshe Green]

The Betzel writes:

BREAKING!

Israeli government officials shocked as Hamas does not agree to deal right away and even plays emotional games.
"I don't know what happened this time", said Luchen Kup, "All other times we made deals with them they were very forthcoming and honest with us. I don't understand what happened this time".
 

[ExGingi]

https://x.com/jjjuraid/status/1879545891004051750

[ExGingi]

50 terrorists for each female soldier.
Morons running that state!

They keep on repeating the same mistake over and over. Once they acquiesced to anything but a TOTAL blockade in the early stages, they put themselves in a worse position. They are being accused of genocide, have arrest warrants issued, etc. Wouldn't it be better to at least have real results? Playing nice doesn't appease the antisemites.

How in the world do they agree to a deal without a list of the living hostages? Why didn't they insist from day 1 on Red Cross visits?

[Mr. CC]

They keep on repeating the same mistake over and over. Once they acquiesced to anything but a TOTAL blockade in the early stages, they put themselves in a worse position. They are being accused of genocide, have arrest warrants issued, etc. Wouldn't it be better to at least have real results? Playing nice doesn't appease the antisemites.

How in the world do they agree to a deal without a list of the living hostages? Why didn't they insist from day 1 on Red Cross visits?

Backseat driver

[ExGingi]

https://x.com/drmichaelbenari/status/1879543507112587501

[ExGingi]

Backseat driver

Indeed.

The kitchen is too hot for me. While Netanyahu seems better than others, from my cheap seats it looks like he failed miserably (or maybe not so, he is an ardent Zionist and it follows his ideology rather than Jewish perspective. See rather well articulated video below).

[AsherO]

Maybe an unpopular opinion, but Israel already traded over 400 IDF soldiers for the hostages in Gaza by the way in which everything in the Gaza offensive was waged with an eye toward the hostages, despite putting so many more soldiers in harms way as opposed to attacking Hamas as if the hostages didn’t exist. Aside from the hundreds of IDF soldiers killed r”l and thousands maimed, this will virtually insure that no future large scale terror attack will be replete without mass hostage taking to hobble the counteroffensive. The current hostage deal is just furthering this.

Impossible to say what percentage of those losses were "for" the hostages, they were fighting Hamas which is a valid fight without any hostages too.

[Moshe Green]

Impossible to say what percentage of those losses were "for" the hostages, they were fighting Hamas which is a valid fight without any hostages too.

One can assume, though, that the soldiers need to enter every single house and tunnel to see if there are hostages there. And they can't blow it up until they check it out. Thus leaving large amounts of time and places to put booby traps, mines, and explosives.
You can't save hostages with planes and tanks. You need unprotected foot soldiers.

[AsherO]

One can assume, though, that the soldiers need to enter every single house and tunnel to see if there are hostages there. And they can't blow it up until they check it out. Thus leaving large amounts of time and places to put booby traps, mines, and explosives.
You can't save hostages with planes and tanks. You need unprotected foot soldiers.

You can't fight Hamas in Gaza with just tanks and planes either. For so so many reasons. Anoyone who thinks so simply doesn't understand warfare, let alone urban warfare with lots of tunnels.

[Chester7]

Scam or Deal?

23 live hostages and 10 bodies for 1000-1500 terrorists.

Why don't the Israelis give a few nukes to Hamas as well (of course on condition that they only use it for self defense)?

Is this really the deal?? This is what Trump thinks is a good deal?

[ExGingi]

Is this really the deal?? This is what Trump thinks is a good deal?

When he's not on the paying side...

UNLESS... (as some have speculated) he just wants to show a win before inauguration day, will release all restrictions on Israel post-inauguration, and allow the Israelis to go full force after that.

When things were allowed to get so bad, there are no good options. The time for proper strategy was in October 2023. The Israelis (Zionists) are experts in boxing themselves into bad options.

[Mr. CC]

Is this really the deal?? This is what Trump thinks is a good deal?

Many of terrorists were just captured and haven't received a trial and Israel may not have evidence against them.
(They arrested many gazans during the war to be able to use as puns for this deal)
P.S. My issue is that it seams that they are still letting Hamas rule