Author Topic: "I was a Hasidic Jew - but I broke free"  (Read 107715 times)

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Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #20 on: February 08, 2012, 11:11:49 PM »
Dont belive what you read... vdal....
its not the first time im hearing this....
i know someone that left satmar and moved to Chabad and he was telling me lots of the same things...its pretty crazy (messed up) what goes on there.
and no wonder why this lady ended up like this.

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Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #21 on: February 08, 2012, 11:14:16 PM »
its not the first time im hearing this....
i know someone that left satmar and moved to Chabad and he was telling me lots of the same things...its pretty crazy (messed up) what goes on there.
and no wonder why this lady ended up like this.

I think this is exactly the reaction these people are looking for and personally I think it's not right to judge coming from the outside
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Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #22 on: February 09, 2012, 03:14:40 AM »
its not the first time im hearing this....
i know someone that left satmar and moved to Chabad and he was telling me lots of the same things...its pretty crazy (messed up) what goes on there.
and no wonder why this lady ended up like this.
I am friends with satmar chasidim and all though they are brought up in a way you and I would call sheltered they actually live a very beautiful life. Much closer to how Jews lived for the past thousands of years, it is very pure and innocent. I wouldn't live like that nor want to raise my family like that, but it works for some people and I definitely see the beauty in it.
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Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #23 on: February 09, 2012, 03:34:59 AM »
I found satmar, who has lots of beautiful chessed organizations etc, relatively higher risk for 'weird' stories, as well people going off.

The major chilul Hashem fighting for the throne, just worsened it.

I see way too many people called joili that aren't religious anymore. (I am taking into consideration that they are an enormous chassidus, and so more go off)

I tell (nice) satmar chassidim that they should look for another chasidus, as the way it looks now is not healthy.

So far non have disagreed.

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Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #24 on: February 09, 2012, 07:00:02 AM »
I am friends with satmar chasidim and all though they are brought up in a way you and I would call sheltered they actually live a very beautiful life. Much closer to how Jews lived for the past thousands of years, it is very pure and innocent. I wouldn't live like that nor want to raise my family like that, but it works for some people and I definitely see the beauty in it.
It may be beautiful but it doesn't seem practical in today's society. Too many teens and young adults feel like they're going to explode when they're finally exposed to "the outside world". This mehalech may have worked well in Europe, but with all the "gashmies" of America I believe that kids need to have a kosher flavor of it so they don't run off to it the second they have the chance. This is not just my opinion but many others as well. It may still be working for many people but unfortunately that number of is declining.

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Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #25 on: February 09, 2012, 07:02:13 AM »
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/hasidic-jew-runs-orthodox-roots-arranged-marriage-child/story?id=15540395
& in a bunch of other news outlets.
Half the story I was crying; half laughing at the hilarious misrepresentation.
I'm not sure a shelter for abused chassidish women is such a bad idea (obviously in a more appropiate leadership)
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Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #26 on: February 09, 2012, 07:33:39 AM »
how about ger... now they have a hard life

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Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #27 on: February 09, 2012, 07:47:09 AM »
I read the article and there are so many off the wall traditions (for lack of a better word) if true.
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Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #28 on: February 09, 2012, 08:29:32 AM »
I read the article and there are so many off the wall traditions (for lack of a better word) if true.
Its extremely dramatized to say the least. The journalist (or woman?) is completely twisting the general ideas like nida. "She never knew she had a ....." paleeeez  ::)

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Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #29 on: February 09, 2012, 08:40:20 AM »
"She never knew she had a ....." paleeeez  ::)
I was literally laughing out loud. Also the ruptured colon part.
I read the article and there are so many off the wall traditions (for lack of a better word) if true.
Its about belief, not tradtion. If it was commanded by G-D, we must comply even if it doesn't make sense. Most often it can be explained.
The problem here is that, the way she portrayes it, they (the family, community or whoever this comes from) have tragically distorted these commandments & values, & the result is devastating.
״וזה כלל גדול: שישנא אדם כל דבר שקר. וכל מה שיוסיף שנאה לדרכי השקר יוסיף אהבה לתורה.״ - אורחות צדיקים

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Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #30 on: February 09, 2012, 08:52:11 AM »
The problem here is that, the way she portrays it, they (the family, community or whoever this comes from) have tragically distorted these commandments & values, & the result is devastating.
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Amongst other things found in the article taharas hamishpacha will always seem odd to a non-Jew, but it was atrociously portrayed to say the least. There was a woman (IIRC it was on the Ellen show) that gave a nice synopsis for non-Jews to understand.
(at work, can't access youtube but feel free to add the link if found)

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Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #31 on: February 09, 2012, 09:36:53 AM »
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Amongst other things found in the article taharas hamishpacha will always seem odd to a non-Jew, but it was atrociously portrayed to say the least. There was a woman (IIRC it was on the Ellen show) that gave a nice synopsis for non-Jews to understand.
(at work, can't access youtube but feel free to add the link if found)

Don't have time to look for it now, but I'd like to see it.
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Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #32 on: February 09, 2012, 09:53:35 AM »
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Amongst other things found in the article taharas hamishpacha will always seem odd to a non-Jew, but it was atrociously portrayed to say the least. There was a woman (IIRC it was on the Ellen show) that gave a nice synopsis for non-Jews to understand.
(at work, can't access youtube but feel free to add the link if found)
If could find the link when you get time it would be greatly appreciated!
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Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #33 on: February 09, 2012, 10:06:39 AM »
If could find the link when you get time it would be greatly appreciated!
My bad it was The Tyra Banks Show. Its pretty short. Im on a phone but does this link work?
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Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #34 on: February 09, 2012, 10:15:21 AM »
My bad it was The Tyra Banks Show. Its pretty short. Im on a phone but does this link work?
&feature=youtube_gdata_player
TY! Yes it works. She did a great job of explaining. While the reasons for doing something you can disagree with, knowing the reasons is extremely helpful in understanding why it is done.
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Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #35 on: February 09, 2012, 11:27:56 AM »
she explained it well but right at the end when they show tyra's face she is making a weird face like she bit into a lemon-quite funny

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Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #36 on: February 10, 2012, 09:51:54 AM »
I guess I really don't know much about Satmer.

"wearing your nightgown rolled up to your waist." Huh?
have two used-to-be satmar friends, I asked both of them about it (yeah! Believe it or not, were very open about it....) both told me its definitely not true. Wondering if she made this up by herself, or her husband really told her that's what they need to do.... (guess why)   
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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #37 on: February 10, 2012, 09:55:36 AM »
have two used-to-be satmar friends, I asked both of them about it (yeah! Believe it or not, were very open about it....) both told me its definitely not true. Wondering if she made this up by herself, or her husband really told her that's what they need to do.... (guess why)

Maybe its just what SHE did or how she felt comfortable. 
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Re: "I was a Hasidic Jew - but I broke free"
« Reply #38 on: February 10, 2012, 10:45:30 AM »
have two used-to-be satmar friends, I asked both of them about it (yeah! Believe it or not, were very open about it....) both told me its definitely not true. Wondering if she made this up by herself, or her husband really told her that's what they need to do.... (guess why)   
Considering that that itself is against halacha I found it odd that she would say that was required...
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Re: "I was a Hasidic Jew - but I broke free"
« Reply #39 on: February 10, 2012, 11:06:54 AM »
well considering what she said that they are told nothing before marriage they prob. figured thats how it should be.
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