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« Reply #10220 on: July 30, 2019, 03:28:33 PM »

I remember in the 1990s when the then owner of Hadar (the name of the corporation slips my mind at the moment, but that was the main brand name under which products were marketed) decided to get into the wine business as retaliation for the Herzogs getting into his lines of business. Well, we know where that ended.

I thought it was the other way around. Hadar got into wine, so they went into food.

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« Reply #10221 on: July 30, 2019, 03:34:40 PM »
I thought it was the other way around. Hadar got into wine, so they went into food.

What made you think that?
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« Reply #10222 on: July 30, 2019, 04:07:25 PM »
I thought it was the other way around. Hadar got into wine, so they went into food.
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« Reply #10224 on: July 30, 2019, 04:15:30 PM »
What made you think that?
I heard such a thing from a fomily member of Hadar.
Feelings don't care about your facts

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« Reply #10225 on: July 30, 2019, 04:16:57 PM »
I heard such a thing from a fomily member of Hadar.

And I heard the exact opposite from a family member of Haddar/ERBA Food. IIRC it was before the wine reached US shores, and after the Gefen brand was started.
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« Reply #10226 on: July 30, 2019, 04:18:03 PM »
And I heard the exact opposite from a family member of Hadar, IIRC it was before the wine reached US shores, and after the Gefen brand was started.
Okay. If you recall correctly then that proves it.
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« Reply #10227 on: July 30, 2019, 04:20:22 PM »
This is an open and shut anti-trust lawsuit. One can only hope. We Jews have a problem with initiating it ourselves, but I'd be giddy if it were to happen.

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« Reply #10228 on: July 30, 2019, 04:42:39 PM »
This is an open and shut anti-trust lawsuit. One can only hope. We Jews have a problem with initiating it ourselves, but I'd be giddy if it were to happen.

Did it happen with any of their other takeovers?
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« Reply #10229 on: July 30, 2019, 04:44:24 PM »
Did it happen with any of their other takeovers?

But this time it has been taken one more step too far.

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« Reply #10230 on: July 30, 2019, 05:01:20 PM »
I heard such a thing from a fomily member of Hadar.
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« Reply #10231 on: July 30, 2019, 06:12:35 PM »
even before that, they were taking over other wine labels (and importers IINM) that started to gain a foothold in the market (Rashi, Kesser, etc.).


In the past 5 years their 100% control of the wine business has been slipping a bit.

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« Reply #10232 on: July 30, 2019, 06:15:45 PM »
In the past 5 years their 100% control of the wine business has been slipping a bit.

There have been ebbs and flows over the past decades, and eventually they end up buying competitors.
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« Reply #10233 on: July 30, 2019, 07:16:30 PM »
There have been ebbs and flows over the past decades, and eventually they end up buying competitors.

You've been buying wine for a lot longer than I have, but it seems different now. The world is so much smaller, that they would have to buy not just all of the American competition, but anyone who makes kosher wine worldwide.

10-15 years ago they got exclusive US distribution rights to a new winery in Europe, and put them out of business by not bringing any to America. I don't think they could do that today.

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« Reply #10235 on: July 31, 2019, 12:16:43 AM »
I thought it was the other way around. Hadar got into wine, so they went into food.
What made you think that?
Thats how it happened. I used to learn with Mr. Bauer every morning. There is no love lost between the Bauers and Herzogs.

And i had the same anti-trust idea but I doubt the Justice Dept. will look at it at all. The kosher food market as a percentage of total US food market is probably so minuscule that it wont even raise any eyebrows.
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« Reply #10236 on: July 31, 2019, 06:54:50 AM »
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« Reply #10238 on: August 01, 2019, 11:04:47 AM »
Beyond Meat and Impossible Burger are so yesterday. Here's the next big thing:

https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2019-oatly-oat-milk-global-domination/?srnd=premium
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« Reply #10239 on: August 01, 2019, 11:44:40 AM »