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« Reply #5120 on: July 13, 2016, 11:20:13 PM »
Who says she is the non frum one?
He said both ways

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« Reply #5121 on: July 13, 2016, 11:22:23 PM »
I'm familiar with a marriage where both sides think it is a mixed marriage, but really neither is frum.

Basically, each one thinks they are not frum but the other is, and are afraid to discuss it.  But they both told me.  I figure better not to tell each about the spouse, since this way they're still keeping a kosher home and raising their kids frum.
so like their both mechalel shaboss behind each others back? and eat treif when the other is not looking? such a weird marriage. wonder how long it could last

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« Reply #5122 on: July 13, 2016, 11:28:42 PM »
How is she neeman for sefirah, tevilah etc??
why not? eid echad neeman beisurin.

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« Reply #5123 on: July 13, 2016, 11:29:29 PM »
I'm familiar with a marriage where both sides think it is a mixed marriage, but really neither is frum.

Basically, each one thinks they are not frum but the other is, and are afraid to discuss it.  But they both told me.  I figure better not to tell each about the spouse, since this way they're still keeping a kosher home and raising their kids frum.
so classic henche

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« Reply #5124 on: July 13, 2016, 11:30:29 PM »
why not? eid echad neeman beisurin.
If they are not frum they can't be trusted

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« Reply #5125 on: July 13, 2016, 11:32:13 PM »
How is she neeman for sefirah, tevilah etc??

There's a special neemanus we darshen from "v'safrah lah". 

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« Reply #5126 on: July 13, 2016, 11:36:24 PM »
Guess what, the kids are also hiding it!

Different family. I know that one also.  I figure at least they all keep kosher at home and are only mechalel shabbos b'farhesia but not at home.

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« Reply #5127 on: July 14, 2016, 12:04:01 AM »
If they are not frum they can't be trusted
that's not true.
If they are mechalel shabbos befarheseia they lose their nemanus. (or avoda zara). as per the definition of mechalel shabbos befarhesia put forth by the MB and other achronim, almost all people who live in a frum community and are married to frum people don't qualify. (I know of one exception). Then there is inherent nemanus, unless of course you think they are lying. which obviously the frum spouse doesn't here.
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« Reply #5131 on: July 14, 2016, 08:25:47 AM »
so classic henche
...and many took the bait.  :)
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« Reply #5132 on: July 14, 2016, 08:29:32 AM »
Nice shout out to DDMS
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« Reply #5133 on: July 14, 2016, 08:34:42 AM »
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« Reply #5136 on: July 14, 2016, 09:38:19 AM »
that's not true.
If they are mechalel shabbos befarheseia they lose their nemanus. (or avoda zara). as per the definition of mechalel shabbos befarhesia put forth by the MB and other achronim, almost all people who live in a frum community and are married to frum people don't qualify. (I know of one exception). Then there is inherent nemanus, unless of course you think they are lying. which obviously the frum spouse doesn't here.
כל החשוד על הדבר אינו נאמן עליו
So if they eat at McDonalds without their spouse then they should not be believed regarding kashrus.
Feelings don't care about your facts

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« Reply #5137 on: July 14, 2016, 10:02:43 AM »
כל החשוד על הדבר אינו נאמן עליו
So if they eat at McDonalds without their spouse then they should not be believed regarding kashrus.
The halacha isn't like that. 

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« Reply #5138 on: July 14, 2016, 01:29:24 PM »
The halacha isn't like that.
Source?
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« Reply #5139 on: July 14, 2016, 01:37:25 PM »
כל החשוד על הדבר אינו נאמן עליו
So if they eat at McDonalds without their spouse then they should not be believed regarding kashrus.
Source? ;D