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« Reply #5970 on: January 18, 2017, 12:53:32 AM »
Why serve (more) time if he was suffering from a mental disorder at the time he committed the crime?
That is a very dangerous road to go down. Every mass murderer and their brother will be claiming mental illness at the time of their crime.
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« Reply #5971 on: January 18, 2017, 12:54:34 AM »
The president of the Philippines would throw him from a helicopter.
That's what you get for watching Scarface.  :P
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« Reply #5972 on: January 18, 2017, 12:55:34 AM »
That's what you get for watching Scarface.  :P

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« Reply #5973 on: January 18, 2017, 12:57:00 AM »
You wanna go to war?
Why do I have a feeling we are the only two not using Google?
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« Reply #5974 on: January 18, 2017, 12:57:22 AM »
That is a very dangerous road to go down. Every mass murderer and their brother will be claiming mental illness at the time of their crime.
Insanity defense is very common
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« Reply #5975 on: January 18, 2017, 12:57:43 AM »
Why do I have a feeling we are the only two not using Google?

You'd be surprised....

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« Reply #5976 on: January 18, 2017, 12:58:18 AM »
That is a very dangerous road to go down. Every mass murderer and their brother will be claiming mental illness at the time of there crime.

Obviously they will, and they already do claim that.
Though it's worth mentioning- Manning is no mass murderer, he had good intentions, and also provided importantinformation that the public had a right to know. So yeah he leaked other sensitive info (but not THAT sensitive) and he got slapped with an almost unprecedented long sentence. He served a nice amount of time, would cause no physical harm to anyone if let loose, and suffers from mental illness.

Be a human and let him free.

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« Reply #5977 on: January 18, 2017, 12:59:41 AM »
Insanity defense is very common
Common and successful are two different things.
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« Reply #5978 on: January 18, 2017, 01:07:37 AM »
IIRC he could have been released after 8 years. Let the courts do there job!
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« Reply #5979 on: January 18, 2017, 01:36:11 AM »
IIRC he could have been released after 8 years. Let the courts do there job!

Its not just a court matter.
It's a matter of national policy.

If you want to continue allowing the illegal activities that gov agencies and officials are involved in, then you prosecute whistleblowers to the fullest extent. If you want to encourage more whistleblowers to uncover injustice, then you don't punish previous whistleblowers (who have provided great benefit to US citizens) to the fullest extent of the law. As I quoted articles earlier, many times it is impossible for a whistleblower to share important information about illegal activities without breaking the law or fear from retaliation.

It's Obamas right and job to follow the national policy that he kept promising to Americans. A court can't weigh the net benefits of the whistleblowing vs the crimes committed. They can only say, you committed XYZ and therefore deserve 35 years.
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« Reply #5980 on: January 18, 2017, 02:17:50 AM »
Its not just a court matter.
It's a matter of national policy.

If you want to continue allowing the illegal activities that gov agencies and officials are involved in, then you prosecute whistleblowers to the fullest extent. If you want to encourage more whistleblowers to uncover injustice, then you don't punish previous whistleblowers (who have provided great benefit to US citizens) to the fullest extent of the law. As I quoted articles earlier, many times it is impossible for a whistleblower to share important information about illegal activities without breaking the law or fear from retaliation.

It's Obamas right and job to follow the national policy that he kept promising to Americans. A court can't weigh the net benefits of the whistleblowing vs the crimes committed. They can only say, you committed XYZ and therefore deserve 35 years.

The whistleblower defense is 100% bs! If his intentions were to uncover wrongdoing, he would have released only those records that were relevant to the wrongdoing. He would have sent it directly to a reporter, not to wikileaks. Releasing the names of American assets in foreign countries, and putting their lives at risk is not whistleblowing.

He downloaded as much data as he could, and the evidence of wrongdoing happened to be part of it. The whistleblowing was secondary to his primary goal which was to leak as much data as possible.

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« Reply #5981 on: January 18, 2017, 02:35:39 AM »
Its not just a court matter.
It's a matter of national policy.

If you want to continue allowing the illegal activities that gov agencies and officials are involved in, then you prosecute whistleblowers to the fullest extent. If you want to encourage more whistleblowers to uncover injustice, then you don't punish previous whistleblowers (who have provided great benefit to US citizens) to the fullest extent of the law. As I quoted articles earlier, many times it is impossible for a whistleblower to share important information about illegal activities without breaking the law or fear from retaliation.

It's Obamas right and job to follow the national policy that he kept promising to Americans. A court can't weigh the net benefits of the whistleblowing vs the crimes committed. They can only say, you committed XYZ and therefore deserve 35 years.
You are confusing whistleblowing with illegal acts. If you commit an illegal act then you get prosecuted for that act, period!!!
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« Reply #5982 on: January 18, 2017, 02:52:17 AM »


I agree with Obama.

1. Manning was a whistleblower and exposed some real dirt that Americans deserved to know, and was highly over punished, even if you consider him guilty. I would like to see more whistleblowers, not less.

so "Russia" is to be glorified?


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« Reply #5983 on: January 18, 2017, 06:49:54 AM »
So a president breaking the law is OK?
??? Reading comprehension issues?
Life isn't about checking the boxes. Nobody cares.

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« Reply #5984 on: January 18, 2017, 06:54:07 AM »
??? Reading comprehension issues?
Only if I thought Nixon didn't break the law.
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