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Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #8130 on: November 29, 2017, 05:26:23 PM »
ותראה באמת שכבר לא יוכל שום בעל שכל להאמין שתכלית בריאת האדם הוא למצבו בעולם הזה, כי מה הם חיי האדם בעולם הזה, או מי הוא ששמח ושליו ממש בעולם הזה. ימי שנותינו בהם שבעים שנה ואם בגבורות שמונים שנה ורהבם עמל ואון, (תהלים צ).
בכמה מיני צער וחלאים ומכאובים וטרדות, ואחר כל זאת, המות. אחד מני אלף לא ימצא שירבה העולם לו הנאות ושלוה אמיתית. וגם הוא, אילו יגיע למאה שנה כבר עבר ובטל מן העולם.

Indeed, you can see that no rational person can possibly believe that the purpose of man's creation is for his existence in this world. For what is man's life in this world? Who is truly happy and content in this world? "The days of our life are 70 years, and if by strength, 80 years, yet their span is but toil and trouble" (Ps. 90:10).
How many sorts of distress and sicknesses, pain and burdens, and after all that death! Not one in a thousand can be found to whom this world has granted plenty of pleasures and true contentment. And even such a person, if he reaches the age of a hundred years, already [is as one who already] passed and disappeared from the world.

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Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #8131 on: November 29, 2017, 05:35:36 PM »
Eruvin 13b
ת"ר שתי שנים ומחצה נחלקו ב"ש וב"ה הללו אומרים נוח לו לאדם שלא נברא יותר משנברא והללו אומרים נוח לו לאדם שנברא יותר משלא נברא נמנו וגמרו נוח לו לאדם שלא נברא יותר משנברא עכשיו שנברא יפשפש במעשיו ואמרי לה ימשמש במעשיו
Exactly my thoughts as soon as I saw the headline.

I'd like to see a rebuttal to this by an atheist. It seems to me that it'd be pretty hard to argue against him (effectively) without invoking G-d/religion.

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Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #8132 on: November 29, 2017, 05:55:33 PM »
here's the difference;

the atheist: ''stop having children''

our sages: עכשיו שנברא do what you have to do because we are on a mission!! 

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Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #8133 on: November 29, 2017, 06:59:52 PM »


here's the difference;

the atheist: ''stop having children''

our sages: עכשיו שנברא do what you have to do because we are on a mission!!
Sounds like you're attempting to answer up the potential proof to this atheist's position from that chazal,  but that's not really an answer. עכשיו שנברא doesn't answer for the children we haven't had yet.

The answer to why we have children despite it being better not to be born is because Hashem told us to, and it ties back to why Hashem created man in the first place if we'd be better off never being born. That's obviously a much larger discussion.

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Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #8136 on: December 02, 2017, 09:46:42 PM »
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #8138 on: December 02, 2017, 10:39:50 PM »


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Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #8141 on: December 04, 2017, 09:32:35 AM »
Winklevi!
https://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2017/12/4/16732952/winklevoss-twins-bitcoin-billionaires-surge
So neither of them is a billionaire. Unless this falls under John Oliver's Olsen 'twins' theory, and there's really only one of them.

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