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« Reply #9331 on: August 05, 2018, 10:11:17 AM »
http://www.mishpacha.com/Browse/Article/10807/Wheres-the-Beef

The guiding philosophy of the ethical vegan movement is unabashed kefira. I can’t believe Mishpacha Magazine is giving a platform to these people

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« Reply #9332 on: August 05, 2018, 10:41:16 AM »
http://www.mishpacha.com/Browse/Article/10807/Wheres-the-Beef

The guiding philosophy of the ethical vegan movement is unabashed kefira. I can’t believe Mishpacha Magazine is giving a platform to these people

Which one of the 13 principles does it contradict?

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« Reply #9333 on: August 05, 2018, 10:44:47 AM »
http://www.mishpacha.com/Browse/Article/10807/Wheres-the-Beef

The guiding philosophy of the ethical vegan movement is unabashed kefira. I can’t believe Mishpacha Magazine is giving a platform to these people

I had a similar thought. They did try to deal with it though.

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« Reply #9334 on: August 05, 2018, 11:01:34 AM »
I am vegan, not 100%, as I eat meat occasionally during the week and on shabbos/YT, but I am not eating meat for another rason as their crooked minds.

I think today's system of injecting our animals with all kinds of growth hormones and needles makes them sick and it transfers over to us. Their thinking is gross and against the Torah which does permit shechting and does not call it cruel. Unless they mean the cruelty happening before they're slaughtered, but that I compare them to the people that protested the killing of the polar bear bear last week.

Anyways, good luck to them with their way of thinking.

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« Reply #9336 on: August 05, 2018, 12:43:20 PM »
http://www.mishpacha.com/Browse/Article/10807/Wheres-the-Beef

The guiding philosophy of the ethical vegan movement is unabashed kefira. I can’t believe Mishpacha Magazine is giving a platform to these people
I'm inviting all those that protest against the use of chickens for kaporos to come to BP and williamsburg and see how the kids sleep

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« Reply #9337 on: August 05, 2018, 04:14:30 PM »
Which one of the 13 principles does it contradict?

Anyone who is familiar with Ethical Veganism knows that at the root of the movement is the rejection of the “commodity status” of animals- the idea that animals can be owned or used for human purposes. Vegans consider man,too, to be an animal, and as one species in the animal kingdom, man has no right to "exploit other animals" for his own needs. This idea that man is just another animal is not a philosophy that just happened to take root amongst the masses. It is promoted in the highest echelons of Academia, and at the most prestigious universities in the country. And there is a payoff for those preaching this philosophy; the corollary of this idea is that man has no true bechirah, no free will; man is just another animal, albeit a smarter animal, yet guided by the same instincts that predetermine his choices in life, just like all animals.Therefore there is no moral imperative for one to work on himself, no absolute good and evil, just the predetermined path in life that mans animal instincts lead him along. 
 
Yet the Torah tells us that man is not just another animal. Man alone has bechira, and the entire universe was created for man to exercise his bechira, his free will. Animals were created to provide food, clothing, and labor for man, the purpose of creation. And the Torah did not limit the use of animals to Avrohom, Yitchak, and Yaakov, and our other holy forefathers, although they certainly were able to elevate the animal to a lofty purpose, in their use of animals to further their serving Hashem on their exalted level. The Torah obligates every simple Jew to wear leather Tefillin on his arm, wool tzitzis on his body, place a mezuzah on his door, and read from a Torah made from animal hide. this is diametrically opposed to the adherents to the ethical veganism  philosophy, who place man and beast on equal footing; the movement is antithetical to the core principles of the Torah.

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« Reply #9338 on: August 05, 2018, 04:17:53 PM »
Anyone who is familiar with Ethical Veganism knows that at the root of the movement is the rejection of the “commodity status” of animals- the idea that animals can be owned or used for human purposes. Vegans consider man,too, to be an animal, and as one species in the animal kingdom, man has no right to "exploit other animals" for his own needs. This idea that man is just another animal is not a philosophy that just happened to take root amongst the masses. It is promoted in the highest echelons of Academia, and at the most prestigious universities in the country. And there is a payoff for those preaching this philosophy; the corollary of this idea is that man has no true bechirah, no free will; man is just another animal, albeit a smarter animal, yet guided by the same instincts that predetermine his choices in life, just like all animals.Therefore there is no moral imperative for one to work on himself, no absolute good and evil, just the predetermined path in life that mans animal instincts lead him along. 
 
Yet the Torah tells us that man is not just another animal. Man alone has bechira, and the entire universe was created for man to exercise his bechira, his free will. Animals were created to provide food, clothing, and labor for man, the purpose of creation. And the Torah did not limit the use of animals to Avrohom, Yitchak, and Yaakov, and our other holy forefathers, although they certainly were able to elevate the animal to a lofty purpose, in their use of animals to further their serving Hashem on their exalted level. The Torah obligates every simple Jew to wear leather Tefillin on his arm, wool tzitzis on his body, place a mezuzah on his door, and read from a Torah made from animal hide. this is diametrically opposed to the adherents to the ethical veganism  philosophy, who place man and beast on equal footing; the movement is antithetical to the core principles of the Torah.
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« Reply #9339 on: August 05, 2018, 04:28:29 PM »
Anyone who is familiar with Ethical Veganism knows that at the root of the movement is the rejection of the “commodity status” of animals- the idea that animals can be owned or used for human purposes. Vegans consider man,too, to be an animal, and as one species in the animal kingdom, man has no right to "exploit other animals" for his own needs. This idea that man is just another animal is not a philosophy that just happened to take root amongst the masses. It is promoted in the highest echelons of Academia, and at the most prestigious universities in the country. And there is a payoff for those preaching this philosophy; the corollary of this idea is that man has no true bechirah, no free will; man is just another animal, albeit a smarter animal, yet guided by the same instincts that predetermine his choices in life, just like all animals.Therefore there is no moral imperative for one to work on himself, no absolute good and evil, just the predetermined path in life that mans animal instincts lead him along. 
 
Yet the Torah tells us that man is not just another animal. Man alone has bechira, and the entire universe was created for man to exercise his bechira, his free will. Animals were created to provide food, clothing, and labor for man, the purpose of creation. And the Torah did not limit the use of animals to Avrohom, Yitchak, and Yaakov, and our other holy forefathers, although they certainly were able to elevate the animal to a lofty purpose, in their use of animals to further their serving Hashem on their exalted level. The Torah obligates every simple Jew to wear leather Tefillin on his arm, wool tzitzis on his body, place a mezuzah on his door, and read from a Torah made from animal hide. this is diametrically opposed to the adherents to the ethical veganism  philosophy, who place man and beast on equal footing; the movement is antithetical to the core principles of the Torah.

Again, which one of the 13 principles are you referring to?  I suspect you are using the term Kefirah similarly to the way some people use the term racism. 

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« Reply #9340 on: August 05, 2018, 04:59:18 PM »
Again, which one of the 13 principles are you referring to?  I suspect you are using the term Kefirah similarly to the way some people use the term racism. 
The 8th and 9th ani maamins?
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« Reply #9341 on: August 05, 2018, 05:14:08 PM »
Again, which one of the 13 principles are you referring to?  I suspect you are using the term Kefirah similarly to the way some people use the term racism.

Read through the 13. I think it’s pretty clear. And it’s more than one.

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« Reply #9343 on: August 05, 2018, 06:08:38 PM »


You are missing #11 which is predicated on bechirah that distinguishes man from animal as discussed extensively in the rishonim...

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« Reply #9344 on: August 05, 2018, 07:26:24 PM »

Yes I meant those.
You are missing #11 which is predicated on bechirah that distinguishes man from animal as discussed extensively in the rishonim...
I skipped that because it's not directly related to the subject matter. You're the one that brought it in. And if I'm not mistaken it's possible that people don't actually have a choice according to some.
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