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« Reply #5680 on: January 01, 2017, 04:28:05 PM »
In today's day and age, anything can be an -ism

On the serious note, the way I understand it is when someone says he "raised Jewish" or for that matter להבדיל raised anything else, it means that he never saw being Jewish as part of his identity, but rather a religion practiced (to one extent or another) in his family.

Unlike many on this forum, for whom being Jewish is not a religious issue, but rather an identity issue, for many people who were like תינוקות שנשבו, Judaism is just another religion and belief system. However, as long as they have a Yiddishe neshomo, לא ידח ממנו נדח and there's hope that they will eventually connect with their true identity and with the aibershter.
Would being raised Jewish the same as being raised Catholic?
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« Reply #5681 on: January 01, 2017, 05:48:34 PM »
Would being raised Jewish the same as being raised Catholic?
Can someone be raised Catholic but not religious?

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« Reply #5682 on: January 01, 2017, 05:50:35 PM »
Can someone be raised Catholic but not religious?
If they turn out to be a bad apple.  :)
No.
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« Reply #5683 on: January 01, 2017, 06:00:03 PM »
If they turn out to be a bad apple.  :)
No.
I think people consider themselves "raised Jewish" culturally, so I would answer your question, no it's not the same.

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« Reply #5684 on: January 01, 2017, 06:05:06 PM »
I think people consider themselves "raised Jewish" culturally, so I would answer your question, no it's not the same.
That's interesting. Would you being a Jew be based on your culture?
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« Reply #5685 on: January 01, 2017, 06:32:26 PM »
That's interesting. Would you being a Jew be based on your culture?
No, but some people erroneously think so.

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« Reply #5686 on: January 01, 2017, 06:35:42 PM »
No, but some people erroneously think so.

+1, the entire idea that Jews have a culture is a misnomer :D

We have collective historical and religious traditions, and the two are inextricably bound.

Ironically, the Jews who think we have a culture often step around the aforementioned traditions we have.
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« Reply #5687 on: January 01, 2017, 06:39:24 PM »
No, but some people erroneously think so.
This is why I am confused. If being a Jew is based on Religion then being raised Jewish wouldn't be a Religious upbringing?
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« Reply #5688 on: January 01, 2017, 06:40:56 PM »
This is why I am confused. If being a Jew is based on Religion then being raised Jewish wouldn't be a Religious upbringing?
It is. What I said is that some people consider themselves to have been raised Jewish based on culture, but I think they're wrong.

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« Reply #5689 on: January 01, 2017, 06:46:19 PM »
It is. What I said is that some people consider themselves to have been raised Jewish based on culture, but I think they're wrong.
So then it is the same as being raised Catholic? You are being raised based on Religious values.
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« Reply #5690 on: January 01, 2017, 06:54:53 PM »
wsj/articles/platinum-partners-fraud-case-has-investigators-casting-wide-net-1482436724


Botched link, but unbelievable stuff in there.

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« Reply #5691 on: January 01, 2017, 07:22:01 PM »
Botched link, but unbelievable stuff in there.
Trying to avoid the paywall..


Anyway, it's shocking that this is madof's little brother size Ponzi scheme, committed by sheiner yidden, mostly upon other shaine yidden... But none is talking about it.

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« Reply #5692 on: January 01, 2017, 07:36:36 PM »
Trying to avoid the paywall..


Anyway, it's shocking that this is madof's little brother size Ponzi scheme, committed by sheiner yidden, mostly upon other shaine yidden... But none is talking about it.
And your proof that its a Ponzi scheme is?

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« Reply #5693 on: January 01, 2017, 07:41:24 PM »
And your proof that its a Ponzi scheme is?
Huh? They wrote off billions in "assets".. - that's a fact.

They didn't "disappear" they just didn't exist.

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« Reply #5694 on: January 01, 2017, 08:30:19 PM »
Huh? They wrote off billions in "assets".. - that's a fact.

They didn't "disappear" they just didn't exist.
you will need to explain that for the non accountants here
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« Reply #5695 on: January 01, 2017, 08:39:53 PM »
So then it is the same as being raised Catholic? You are being raised based on Religious values.

Aren't there a lot of people who call themselves Catholic, but do not follow (or believe in) Catholic doctrine?

I know politicians are not very representative of the general population, but just based on what some politicians say about themselves, that seems to be the case.

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« Reply #5696 on: January 01, 2017, 08:44:12 PM »
Aren't there a lot of people who call themselves Catholic, but do not follow (or believe in) Catholic doctrine?
Do not follow/adhere to I would say yes. If you don't believe in the doctrine how can you be Catholic?
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« Reply #5697 on: January 01, 2017, 08:52:53 PM »
Do not follow/adhere to I would say yes. If you don't believe in the doctrine how can you be Catholic?

That is what I always wondered. Is there no such thing as a " Cultural Catholic"?

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« Reply #5698 on: January 01, 2017, 08:55:45 PM »
That is what I always wondered. Is there no such thing as a " Cultural Catholic"?
Not that I know of. What would you call a someone that follows about 50% of the rules of Judaism?
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« Reply #5699 on: January 01, 2017, 09:02:11 PM »
you will need to explain that for the non accountants here
This funds assets were primarily level 3 - which basically means hard to value/not marketable securities/aka bs.
(Could be litteraly anything. - from equity in small businesses, loans, insurance contracts, real estate, etc etc etc. It doesn't matter- the bad auditors rely on management estimates and perform some garbage reasonablness tests..Provide clean financials and all of a sudden the fund made 15% last year..)
Investor money is swept out as management fees and performance fees... -  based on the funds performance!

Anyway, they had consistent massive unrealized gains by booking bogus appreciation on these "assets".

It's all very nice untill investors wish to redeem. - kesef minolon?