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« Reply #5730 on: January 01, 2017, 10:36:25 PM »
FTFY

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If prison is not a deterrent, it is because people don't know what it is like in there.

I go pretty regularly, and if I was ever considering doing something that would land me in there it certainly would stop me.

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« Reply #5731 on: January 01, 2017, 10:41:32 PM »
Such ganuvim deserve to be hanged from the tallest tree in central park.

We dont hang ganuvim. They work and pay off their debts. Thats the torah way. We know in certain sectors money is the end all and "ganuvim" are hung, but its not that way in real life or al pi halucha.
This is not petty theft. There should be a special punishment for someone who causes this sort of destruction in the community. I'm quite certain even a Jewish beis din has this sort of latitude.
If you don't care why would you comment?
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« Reply #5732 on: January 01, 2017, 11:57:27 PM »
He did get money from the creme de la creme. I always wondered when i saw him working the register at KD the week before Pesach.

Maybe he closed them because he was making way more money stealing.

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« Reply #5733 on: January 02, 2017, 12:13:00 AM »
Maybe he closed them because he was making way more money stealing.
Unlikely
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« Reply #5734 on: January 02, 2017, 12:24:21 AM »
What are we talking about over here, I feel like I'm in middle of a conversation but I don't see the beginning.

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« Reply #5735 on: January 02, 2017, 08:18:57 AM »
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« Reply #5736 on: January 02, 2017, 09:10:19 AM »
This funds assets were primarily level 3 - which basically means hard to value/not marketable securities/aka bs.
(Could be litteraly anything. - from equity in small businesses, loans, insurance contracts, real estate, etc etc etc. It doesn't matter- the bad auditors rely on management estimates and perform some garbage reasonablness tests..Provide clean financials and all of a sudden the fund made 15% last year..)
Investor money is swept out as management fees and performance fees... -  based on the funds performance!

Anyway, they had consistent massive unrealized gains by booking bogus appreciation on these "assets".

It's all very nice untill investors wish to redeem. - kesef minolon?
And here, in 2015, buried in the article that mentions all the other relatively petty fraud that they were involved in, Bloomberg mentions the main scam. But no one paid attention...

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The valuation report, dated March 2014, shows that illiquid, hard-to-value assets make up much of Platinumís portfolio. The second-biggest holding is a group of oil fields in California. The valuation agent, Murray Grenville, didnít respond to requests for comment. The fundís auditor, CohnReznick LLP, a New York-based accounting firm with 2,500 employees, declined to comment.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-10-21/no-blow-up-is-big-enough-to-tarnish-platinum-partners-returns

Anyone with even a minimal amount of professional skepticism would have called this years ago.

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« Reply #5737 on: January 02, 2017, 09:19:14 AM »




Anyone with even a minimal amount of professional skepticism would have called this years ago.

We are all great Monday night quarterbacks.

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« Reply #5738 on: January 02, 2017, 09:22:50 AM »

We are all great Monday night morning quarterbacks.
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« Reply #5739 on: January 02, 2017, 09:32:35 AM »
People have been sounding the alarm on them for years. But they couldn't prove any wrongdoing, just that it didn't make sense.

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« Reply #5740 on: January 02, 2017, 09:47:52 AM »
People have been sounding the alarm on them for years. But they couldn't prove any wrongdoing, just that it didn't make sense.
He came off as squeaky clean. Never heard a word about them either. No one was sounding any alarms.
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« Reply #5741 on: January 02, 2017, 09:50:47 AM »

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« Reply #5742 on: January 02, 2017, 09:54:18 AM »

We are all great Monday night quarterbacks.
-1 imho the auditors dropped the ball BIG time.

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« Reply #5743 on: January 02, 2017, 09:54:22 AM »


This x100.

Prison is 150% about society's need for revenge, and -50% deterrence/punishment.

ETA: I'm talking about for financial crimes, not when the person is a danger to those around him and needs to be locked up.
The rehabilitation rates in prison are abominable. The percentage that revert and are bank in prison are through the roof. Prisons tend to be a severely dehumanizing experience with no positive outcomes, yet societies need for a feeling of domination supercedes logic.
Who do you think you are fooling? You think you are going to pull a quick one on your Creator? Good luck with that.
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Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #5744 on: January 02, 2017, 09:55:54 AM »
The rehabilitation rates in prison are abominable. The percentage that revert and are bank in prison are through the roof. Prisons tend to be a severely dehumanizing experience with no positive outcomes, yet societies need for a feeling of domination supercedes logic.
I think they're intended more as a deterrent for people that might commit a crime than a rehabilitation institute.
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