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« Reply #5780 on: January 03, 2017, 12:30:39 AM »
IIUC, isn't it pretty much the same thing?
The only difference is volume, do it on a big scale and you'll eventually get caught.
+24 million

It took 24 million for these guys to get caught...

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« Reply #5781 on: January 03, 2017, 12:31:04 AM »
I think they're intended more as a deterrent for people that might commit a crime than a rehabilitation institute.
In America.


Other countries have much better track records of rehabilitating prisoners

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« Reply #5782 on: January 03, 2017, 01:59:44 PM »
Thats money laundering. Not grey at all. Anything they want to make into a crime they can. Electronic transaction = wire fraud.

You don't know the definition of money laundering.

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« Reply #5783 on: January 03, 2017, 02:00:53 PM »
Since we are drawing lines here is one for you all to draw. What about earning miles/points/CB on buying GC's when we know the T&C's excluded it. Grey area or illegal? How about when you do it over, over and over again?

I'm not aware of any CC that prohibits buying GCs.

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« Reply #5784 on: January 03, 2017, 02:06:19 PM »
I'm not aware of any CC that prohibits buying GCs.
That is not what I said but nice try.
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« Reply #5785 on: January 03, 2017, 02:10:31 PM »
That is not what I said but nice try.

If the CC doesn't prohibit it then why is it my fault for earning it? What if I didn't even intend to earn the points?  The fault lies solely with issuer of the points.

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« Reply #5786 on: January 03, 2017, 02:16:13 PM »
If the CC doesn't prohibit it then why is it my fault for earning it? What if I didn't even intend to earn the points?  The fault lies solely with issuer of the points.
If your intent wasn't about the points that is one thing but when you are aware of it then exploit it that is a different story. I am not judging you or anyone else. Just pointing out the grey areas.
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« Reply #5787 on: January 03, 2017, 02:28:04 PM »
If your intent wasn't about the points that is one thing but when you are aware of it then exploit it that is a different story. I am not judging you or anyone else. Just pointing out the grey areas.

Intent is subjective and irrelevant in determine whether something is legal.

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« Reply #5789 on: January 03, 2017, 02:34:08 PM »
Intent is subjective and irrelevant in determine whether something is legal.
Hopefully you are not a lawyer with that statement.  :)
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« Reply #5790 on: January 03, 2017, 02:41:50 PM »
Intent is subjective and irrelevant in determine whether something is legal.
Thats why there are judges.
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« Reply #5791 on: January 03, 2017, 02:43:55 PM »
Intent is subjective and irrelevant in determine whether something is legal.

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How 'bout when someone kills another person.

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« Reply #5792 on: January 03, 2017, 02:56:52 PM »
Hopefully you are not a lawyer with that statement.  :)

+1

by definition, every crime has an "actus reus" (bad act) and a "mens rea" (bad state of mind).

For those curious, the mens rea of murder is "malice aforethought"

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« Reply #5794 on: January 03, 2017, 03:05:45 PM »
Why don't they have an emergency break? :D

Or just an intercom to the cockpit.

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« Reply #5795 on: January 03, 2017, 03:11:04 PM »
Or just an intercom to the cockpit.

Thats kinda what I was asking.
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« Reply #5796 on: January 03, 2017, 03:13:06 PM »
Why don't they have an emergency break? :D
It was a nap break.
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« Reply #5797 on: January 03, 2017, 03:16:06 PM »
Intent is subjective and irrelevant in determine whether something is legal.
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« Reply #5798 on: January 03, 2017, 03:18:01 PM »
If the CC doesn't prohibit it then why is it my fault for earning it? What if I didn't even intend to earn the points?  The fault lies solely with issuer of the points.
This is why the Nordstrom bros story is so shocking. All they did was make online orders through a portal. Nordstrom cancelled them and paid out the cashback site. That the brothers got jail time for that, when all they actually did was submit online orders, is very surprising.
I'm no expert but I'd like to believe that a better lawyer could've won that case.

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« Reply #5799 on: January 03, 2017, 03:38:13 PM »
This is why the Nordstrom bros story is so shocking. All they did was make online orders through a portal. Nordstrom cancelled them and paid out the cashback site. That the brothers got jail time for that, when all they actually did was submit online orders, is very surprising.
I'm no expert but I'd like to believe that a better lawyer could've won that case.
Hard to argue that ordering $23 Million in merchandise, while creating new usernames, was an innocent mistake.
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