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Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #6525 on: March 05, 2017, 02:37:13 PM »
Or rather they were exercising their rights?
If a cop says I wanna search around your office to see if I could find wrongdoing would you comply without a warrant?
So if Walmart decides to sell an item at a loss, are they exercising their rights, even though it will put small mom-and-pop stores that can't compete with them out of business?

Besides for everything else, what Uber allegedly did here was circumventing the law take the law into their own hands* in a way only they are able to, due to their deep pockets.

*even if it was initially designed in order to avoid doing business with people that violate the T&C, does that make it legal or morally OK to take the law into your own hands, and punish such a person by deceiving them? Using it to deceive law enforcement, is another step. If you don't like the laws, work to get them changed! As long as they're on the books, everyone needs to abide in a level playing field!
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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« Reply #6526 on: March 05, 2017, 02:39:30 PM »
So if Walmart decides to sell an item at a loss, are they exercising their rights, even though it will put small mom-and-pop stores that can't compete with them out of business?

Besides for everything else, what Uber allegedly did here was circumventing the law in a way only they are able to, due to their deep pockets.

Circumventing what law?
Answer the question before continuing your line of flawed logical reasoning.

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« Reply #6527 on: March 05, 2017, 02:41:09 PM »
Circumventing what law?
Answer the question before continuing your line of flawed logical reasoning.
Laws requiring licensure of livery divers.
« Last Edit: March 05, 2017, 02:47:15 PM by aygart »
The thing with the hamster is that running on the wheel is actually what it is trying to do.

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« Reply #6528 on: March 05, 2017, 02:45:38 PM »
Circumventing what law?
Answer the question before continuing your line of flawed logical reasoning.
While @aygart answered your question in a succinct manner (though he allowed a typo to slip, meaning to write licensure). Please refer back to my edited post above (and footnote) and clarify where you see the flaws in my logic.
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« Reply #6529 on: March 05, 2017, 02:47:02 PM »
(though he allowed a typo to slip, meaning to write licensure)
corrected. Thanks
The thing with the hamster is that running on the wheel is actually what it is trying to do.

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« Reply #6530 on: March 05, 2017, 02:49:13 PM »
While @aygart answered your question in a succinct manner (though he allowed a typo to slip, meaning to write licensure). Please refer back to my edited post above (and footnote) and clarify where you see the flaws in my logic.

Ok so you still can't answer my simple question.

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« Reply #6531 on: March 05, 2017, 02:51:29 PM »
Ok so you still can't answer my simple question.


@aygart answered your question in a succinct manner


Laws requiring licensure of livery divers.
The thing with the hamster is that running on the wheel is actually what it is trying to do.

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« Reply #6532 on: March 05, 2017, 02:51:44 PM »
Laws requiring licensure of livery divers.

You mean the legalized mafia rackateering that requires drivers to pay the government "protection" money in order to operate? By the way, uber is not a new concept. Riding in the car is not required in 2017 to understand how their business operates. It's sad that you guy are dumb enough to be convinced of this crap.

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« Reply #6533 on: March 05, 2017, 02:54:05 PM »
You mean the legalized mafia rackateering that requires drivers to pay the government "protection" money in order to operate? By the way, uber is not a new concept. Riding in the car is not required in 2017 to understand how their business operates.

For some reason, in NY Uber does comply with the law, and have all their drivers (and vehicles) licensed/registered with the Taxi & Limousine Commission.

I am not saying that the Taxi medallion business model is right, but there are legal livery cabs (including Uber in NY), and besides for generating revenue for the government, the oversight provides valuable protection for the public.
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« Reply #6534 on: March 05, 2017, 02:55:50 PM »
So if Walmart decides to sell an item at a loss, are they exercising their rights, even though it will put small mom-and-pop stores that can't compete with them out of business?

Is that illegal?


Besides for everything else, what Uber allegedly did here was circumventing the law take the law into their own hands* in a way only they are able to, due to their deep pockets.

*even if it was initially designed in order to avoid doing business with people that violate the T&C, does that make it legal or morally OK to take the law into your own hands, and punish such a person by deceiving them?

You think they should be forced to do business with people they don't want to do business with?

Using it to deceive law enforcement, is another step. If you don't like the laws, work to get them changed! As long as they're on the books, everyone needs to abide in a level playing field!

Agree 100%!

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« Reply #6535 on: March 05, 2017, 02:57:59 PM »
You mean the legalized mafia rackateering that requires drivers to pay the government "protection" money in order to operate? By the way, uber is not a new concept. Riding in the car is not required in 2017 to understand how their business operates. It's sad that you guy are dumb enough to be convinced of this crap.
There are reasons for the laws. If you feel they are outdated then contact your elected officials to have them changed.

You tone sounds like you realize that you are the one being unreasonable here.
The thing with the hamster is that running on the wheel is actually what it is trying to do.

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« Reply #6536 on: March 05, 2017, 02:59:07 PM »
Is that illegal?

I am not a lawyer, nor do I have any expertise in this area of the law, but I would guess there might be an issue with antitrust laws.

You think they should be forced to do business with people they don't want to do business with?

No. But two wrongs don't make one right. Should they be allowed to deceive someone they believe violated their T&C, rather than just tell that person they are banned, outright, and give reason?
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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« Reply #6537 on: March 05, 2017, 02:59:17 PM »
You mean the legalized mafia rackateering that requires drivers to pay the government "protection" money in order to operate?

If you don't like the laws (and I don't), change them. You don't have a right to ignore them just because you are big enough to get away with it.

And now we're back to where we started,

Do you have respect for organized crime?

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« Reply #6538 on: March 05, 2017, 03:00:57 PM »
For some reason, in NY Uber does comply with the law, and have all their drivers (and vehicles) licensed/registered with the Taxi & Limousine Commission.

I am not saying that the Taxi medallion business model is right, but there are legal livery cabs (including Uber in NY), and besides for generating revenue for the government, the oversight provides valuable protection for the public.

The only protection the government provides is that they won't throw you in jail if you pay their extortionary licensing fee. The only difference between cities is how well the mafia controls it.

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« Reply #6539 on: March 05, 2017, 03:01:51 PM »
There are reasons for the laws. If you feel they are outdated then contact your elected officials to have them changed.

You tone sounds like you realize that you are the one being unreasonable here.

There are reasons why there are laws. If you wanna investigate a company, bring them to court.
They have no legal requirement to comply with your sting. If you don't like it, change the law.