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Emkay · « **Reply #7020 on:** May 10, 2017, 08:31:18 AM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on May 10, 2017, 08:30:06 AM

Nice edit.

I realized I wasn't clear. I had referring to standard people on each category. Non healthy parents fit into "all other non optimal scenarios"

thaber · « **Reply #7021 on:** May 10, 2017, 11:28:02 AM »

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/southwest-airlines-brawl-one-arrested-after-fight-aboard-jet-n757276

elit · « **Reply #7022 on:** May 10, 2017, 11:54:04 AM »

Quote from: yuneeq on May 10, 2017, 07:36:00 AM

If you can't get it, sorry for you, but I explained already.
A kid needs a mother and father figure. They are incapable of providing that. That is besides the other mental issues that gays commonly have. When going for adoption we shouldn't place kids in suboptimal environments.

just curious if you believe this is Torah haskafa or personal opinion

Boruch999 · « **Reply #7023 on:** May 10, 2017, 12:06:59 PM »

Quote from: elit on May 10, 2017, 11:54:04 AM

just curious if you believe this is Torah haskafa or personal opinion

I think that it's pretty in line with Torah Hashkafa.

1)"A kid needs a mother and a father figure."

I wouldn't have presented it as needs, but it's clear that the Torah considers it the most ideal scenario.

2)" That is besides the other mental issues that gays commonly have."

The Torah perspective is that homosexual attraction is a mental issue. Someone who is not dealing with a serious mental issue in a way that complies with halacha cannot be considered an ideal adoption candidate from a Torah perspective.

3)"When going for adoption we shouldn't place kids in suboptimal environments."

Exceedingly self evident.

henche · « **Reply #7024 on:** May 10, 2017, 12:10:25 PM »

What does the law actually say? It's pretty typical of the media to assume that every law ever passed that has any bearing on government and religion is about abortion or LGBT.

12HRS · « **Reply #7025 on:** May 10, 2017, 12:10:53 PM »

Quote from: Boruch999 on May 10, 2017, 12:06:59 PM

The Torah perspective is that homosexual attraction is a mental issue.

Source?

Boruch999 · « **Reply #7026 on:** May 10, 2017, 12:22:08 PM »

Quote from: 12HRS on May 10, 2017, 12:10:53 PM

Source?

http://www.torahdec.org/

http://www.torahdec.org/signatures.html

12HRS · « **Reply #7027 on:** May 10, 2017, 12:27:58 PM »

Quote from: Boruch999 on May 10, 2017, 12:22:08 PM

http://www.torahdec.org/

http://www.torahdec.org/signatures.html

sounds to me like a person has a taaivah and chose to act on it, the feelings that would accompany that action for a frum person would require mental help to process that. I do not think it is saying that the taaivah itself is a mental health issue

Boruch999 · « **Reply #7028 on:** May 10, 2017, 12:31:55 PM »

Quote from: 12HRS on May 10, 2017, 12:27:58 PM

sounds to me like a person has a taaivah and chose to act on it, the feelings that would accompany that action for a frum person would require mental help to process that. I do not think it is saying that the taaivah itself is a mental health issue

We may have differing definitions of mental health issue.

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The therapy consists of reinforcing the natural gender-identity of the individual by helping him or her understand and repair the emotional wounds that led to its disorientation and weakening, thus enabling the resumption and completion of the individual’s emotional development.

sharkky · « **Reply #7029 on:** May 10, 2017, 01:54:02 PM »

Quote from: Boruch999 on May 10, 2017, 12:22:08 PM

http://www.torahdec.org/

http://www.torahdec.org/signatures.html

http://seforim.blogspot.com/2013/01/hakirah-metzitzah-and-more.html?m=1

elit · « **Reply #7030 on:** May 10, 2017, 04:33:56 PM »

Quote from: Boruch999 on May 10, 2017, 12:06:59 PM

I think that it's pretty in line with Torah Hashkafa.

1)"A kid needs a mother and a father figure."

I wouldn't have presented it as needs, but it's clear that the Torah considers it the most ideal scenario.

2)" That is besides the other mental issues that gays commonly have."

The Torah perspective is that homosexual attraction is a mental issue. Someone who is not dealing with a serious mental issue in a way that complies with halacha cannot be considered an ideal adoption candidate from a Torah perspective.

3)"When going for adoption we shouldn't place kids in suboptimal environments."

Exceedingly self evident.

1) yes but again we are talking about a situation where the child is already in a very suboptimal (if any) family situation and if im not mistaken there are more kids that need adoption then adopters. so are you sure the Torah hashkafa is they are better off staying in a worse situation
2) when you say mental issue, the implication is it's a sever problem effecting others particularly children. I don't see how saying homosexual attraction can be rectified by therapy in many cases means what you and others are implying.
additionally I don't believe this conversation was referring to specifically Jewish people but whay the Torah hashkafa would be on how to deal with thus issue in general.
3)see 1

Boruch999 · « **Reply #7031 on:** May 10, 2017, 04:57:04 PM »

Quote from: elit on May 10, 2017, 04:33:56 PM

1) yes but again we are talking about a situation where the child is already in a very suboptimal (if any) family situation and if im not mistaken there are more kids that need adoption then adopters. so are you sure the Torah hashkafa is they are better off staying in a worse situation
2) when you say mental issue, the implication is it's a sever problem effecting others particularly children. I don't see how saying homosexual attraction can be rectified by therapy in many cases means what you and others are implying.
additionally I don't believe this conversation was referring to specifically Jewish people but whay the Torah hashkafa would be on how to deal with thus issue in general.
3)see 1

1)I don't know if that is true, it may be, in which case obviously pros and cons must be carefully compared.

2)You've used implying twice in reference to what I've said. I am not sure what you think I am implying and how I am implying it. Please clarify.

3)See 1

thaber · « **Reply #7032 on:** May 11, 2017, 12:43:13 AM »

Open season indeed
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/black-passenger-allegedly-forced-to-give-up-first-class-seat-on-american-airlines/ar-BBAYVAp
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2017/05/10/caught-video-fistfight-erupts-southwest-jet-taxis-gate-burbank-calif/101502442/
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/united-passenger-attendants-forced-me-to-pee-in-a-cup-at-my-seat/ar-BBAZrJY
http://jalopnik.com/airline-satisfaction-was-actually-going-up-before-the-a-1795103105
And then there's this
https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/flights/todayinthesky/2017/05/10/reports-airline-laptop-electronics-ban-could-extended-europe/101522824/

Boruch999 · « **Reply #7033 on:** May 11, 2017, 07:02:37 AM »

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/05/10/u-s-to-ban-laptops-in-all-cabins-of-flights-from-europe

includes scarry video

CreamofSoup · « **Reply #7034 on:** May 11, 2017, 02:43:46 PM »

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/05/11/527930243/tesla-begins-taking-orders-for-its-solar-energy-roof-tile-systems

Deposit today and maybe you'll have a new roof by 2025

avremie · « **Reply #7035 on:** May 11, 2017, 05:10:36 PM »

Quote from: CreamofSoup on May 11, 2017, 02:43:46 PM

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/05/11/527930243/tesla-begins-taking-orders-for-its-solar-energy-roof-tile-systems

Deposit today and maybe you'll have a new roof by 2025

Tesla was never meant for practical minded people.