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Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #10282 on: August 20, 2019, 09:36:54 AM »
https://m.jpost.com/Israel-News/Chief-Rabbi-prevents-10-year-divorce-refuser-from-burying-his-mother-599166/amp

I am torn about this. While I am happy that this forced the outcome that it did - is it fair to hold his dead mother (and siblings) responsible for his actions?

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« Reply #10283 on: August 20, 2019, 11:03:46 AM »
I am torn about this. While I am happy that this forced the outcome that it did - is it fair to hold his dead mother (and siblings) responsible for his actions?

Doing the right thing can only do good to his mother's נשמה.

I was initially impressed based on the headline, but looking into the details it looks like they allowed the burial based on bond posted with the Beis Din. I don't understand why they couldn't insist on the actual get.

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Since the husband is currently in Israel and his wife is in the US, he has pledged to attend a hearing of the US rabbinical court and obey its ruling, and has deposited a monetary guarantee to ensure that he complies with his commitment.
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« Reply #10284 on: August 20, 2019, 11:07:43 AM »
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« Reply #10285 on: August 20, 2019, 11:17:03 AM »
Doing the right thing can only do good to his mother's נשמה.

I was initially impressed based on the headline, but looking into the details it looks like they allowed the burial based on bond posted with the Beis Din. I don't understand why they couldn't insist on the actual get.
Question was if it's the right thing to do. Would you say they can stop anyone's kevurah?

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« Reply #10286 on: August 20, 2019, 11:43:16 AM »
Question was if it's the right thing to do. Would you say they can stop anyone's kevurah?
https://he.wikisource.org/wiki/%D7%A2%D7%A8%D7%95%D7%9A_%D7%94%D7%A9%D7%95%D7%9C%D7%97%D7%9F_%D7%99%D7%95%D7%A8%D7%94_%D7%93%D7%A2%D7%94_%D7%A9%D7%A0%D7%96

"אם הלינו לכבודו להכין תכריכים, או שיבואו רבים ללוותו, או לעשות ארון, או שיבואו מקוננות, או להביא ספדן, וכיוצא בו אינו עובר עליו"
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Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #10288 on: August 20, 2019, 12:18:31 PM »
I don't understand why they couldn't insist on the actual get.

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« Reply #10289 on: August 20, 2019, 12:29:59 PM »
Get Me'usse?

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« Reply #10290 on: August 20, 2019, 01:07:47 PM »
מלקין אותו עד שיאמר רוצה אני.
אתו - ולא אמו

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« Reply #10291 on: August 20, 2019, 01:13:46 PM »

Friend of mine just did this. Anyone who didn't have email (apparently there was one or two) got a paper printed from their computer in an envelope.
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« Reply #10292 on: August 20, 2019, 01:34:27 PM »
אתו - ולא אמו

My response was regarding the Get Me'use issue. As I pointed above, this could actually be a נחת רוח and כבוד הנפטרת.

Though I will give one caveat, that everything might seem one sided from here, there might be another side to the story which we are unfamiliar with at this point. She might have been blackmailing him. But the bottom line is that if an acceptable Beis Din ruled that he has to give a Get, then they need to be able to enforce it somehow. Tying up your wife for 10 years, while marrying someone else doesn't do any good.
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« Reply #10293 on: August 20, 2019, 03:26:39 PM »
https://he.wikisource.org/wiki/%D7%A2%D7%A8%D7%95%D7%9A_%D7%94%D7%A9%D7%95%D7%9C%D7%97%D7%9F_%D7%99%D7%95%D7%A8%D7%94_%D7%93%D7%A2%D7%94_%D7%A9%D7%A0%D7%96

"אם הלינו לכבודו להכין תכריכים, או שיבואו רבים ללוותו, או לעשות ארון, או שיבואו מקוננות, או להביא ספדן, וכיוצא בו אינו עובר עליו"
Exactly. This wasn't for her kavod, even though it's appropriate for him to give a get.

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« Reply #10294 on: August 20, 2019, 03:33:20 PM »
Exactly. This wasn't for her kavod, even though it's appropriate for him to give a get.

ממה נפשך if it's not her kovod, so he's the one causing ביזוי המת, otoh it could be her kovod in being able to get her son to do the right thing.
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« Reply #10296 on: August 20, 2019, 03:52:41 PM »
ממה נפשך if it's not her kovod, so he's the one causing ביזוי המת, otoh it could be her kovod in being able to get her son to do the right thing.
Can one of the options be it's not her kavod and the Rabbinate is causing ביזוי המת?

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« Reply #10297 on: August 20, 2019, 04:02:12 PM »
Can one of the options be it's not her kavod and the Rabbinate is causing ביזוי המת?
No.
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« Reply #10298 on: August 20, 2019, 04:09:29 PM »


do you think there is a large percentage of people who don't give checks because there is no return envelope?
Is that percentage the cost of the invitations?
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