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Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #10365 on: September 06, 2019, 10:25:57 AM »
Listed under satire, but I'm reading some underlying anger in there.
Like the vast majority of satire.
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« Reply #10366 on: September 06, 2019, 10:32:55 AM »
Underlying anger in which way? Towards high tuition, or towards the FTP generation?
I feel like its against his kids for not being what he wamted them to be, but being blamed on the schools.
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« Reply #10367 on: September 06, 2019, 10:42:50 AM »
I feel like its against his kids for not being what he wamted them to be, but being blamed on the schools.

As the author or this piece (I literally wrote it 14 years ago), and only having small kids at the time, the intent was to poke fun at the FTP generation. The parents in the story are an amalgam of some of my parents' friends and relatives who sent their kids to Modern Orthodox Yeshivas, with the expectation that it fit in with their families more hashkafically and educational philosophy (i.e. we expect our child to go to 4 year college and/or grad school after graduating HS).

These particular parents, who grew up in a similar environment, had a hard time dealing with their kids moving to the right. Among my parents' friends, they referred to these kids as the FTP generation (Frumer than parents).

The site that published this shutdown recently, so I thought I'd resurrect it.

FWIW - I wrote a follow-up which I hope to put up shortly - (still searching for the final source) - where the same dad runs classes for parents who's kids are frumer than them to learn how to blend in in places where their kids have moved.

 

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Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #10368 on: September 06, 2019, 10:53:39 AM »
As the author or this piece (I literally wrote it 14 years ago), and only having small kids at the time, the intent was to poke fun at the FTP generation. The parents in the story are an amalgam of some of my parents' friends and relatives who sent their kids to Modern Orthodox Yeshivas, with the expectation that it fit in with their families more hashkafically and educational philosophy (i.e. we expect our child to go to 4 year college and/or grad school after graduating HS).

These particular parents, who grew up in a similar environment, had a hard time dealing with their kids moving to the right. Among my parents' friends, they referred to these kids as the FTP generation (Frumer than parents).

The site that published this shutdown recently, so I thought I'd resurrect it.

FWIW - I wrote a follow-up which I hope to put up shortly - (still searching for the final source) - where the same dad runs classes for parents who's kids are frumer than them to learn how to blend in in places where their kids have moved.

 
אמר אביי אין כדאמרי אינשי שותא דינוקא בשוקא או דאבוה או דאימיה ומשום אבוה ואימיה

שותא דינוקא בשוקא דאבוה או דאימיה - משל הדיוט הוא מה שהתינוק מדבר בשוק מאביו או מאמו שמע אף (זה) אם לא שמעה מאביה שהיה מבזה את העבודה לא אמרה כן שותא דיבור כמו לא תיפוק לכו שותא (ב"ב דף לט.) ובקדושין (דף ע.) שותא דמר לא ידענא:
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Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #10369 on: September 06, 2019, 11:00:34 AM »
אמר אביי אין כדאמרי אינשי שותא דינוקא בשוקא או דאבוה או דאימיה ומשום אבוה ואימיה

שותא דינוקא בשוקא דאבוה או דאימיה - משל הדיוט הוא מה שהתינוק מדבר בשוק מאביו או מאמו שמע אף (זה) אם לא שמעה מאביה שהיה מבזה את העבודה לא אמרה כן שותא דיבור כמו לא תיפוק לכו שותא (ב"ב דף לט.) ובקדושין (דף ע.) שותא דמר לא ידענא:

... or their neighbors :)

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Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #10370 on: September 06, 2019, 11:19:05 AM »
... or their neighbors :)
Not so simple.
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Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #10371 on: September 06, 2019, 01:05:50 PM »
As the author or this piece (I literally wrote it 14 years ago)...

If you post your own article in this thread, please put in a disclaimer.
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Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #10372 on: September 06, 2019, 01:06:53 PM »
^^^

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« Reply #10373 on: September 06, 2019, 01:11:55 PM »
Why not?
אוי לרשע ואוי לשכינו - בתורת כהנים תניא וחלצו את האבנים נגע באבן שבמקצוע שניהן חולצין ואע"פ שהנגע לא נראה אלא בביתו של זה מחמת שהיתה עינו צרה בכליו חבירו לקה בשבילו מכאן אמרו אוי לרשע אוי לשכינו וממילא טוב לצדיק טוב לשכינו דמדה טובה מרובה:
It is not clear at all that it means that Miriam bas Bilga had learned the concept from her neighbors.
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Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #10374 on: September 06, 2019, 01:27:44 PM »
If you post your own article in this thread, please put in a disclaimer.

My mistake, I thought I did in the OP, but realize I did not.

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Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #10375 on: September 06, 2019, 04:23:15 PM »
... or their neighbors :)
Not so simple.
אוי לרשע ואוי לשכינו - בתורת כהנים תניא וחלצו את האבנים נגע באבן שבמקצוע שניהן חולצין ואע"פ שהנגע לא נראה אלא בביתו של זה מחמת שהיתה עינו צרה בכליו חבירו לקה בשבילו מכאן אמרו אוי לרשע אוי לשכינו וממילא טוב לצדיק טוב לשכינו דמדה טובה מרובה:
It is not clear at all that it means that Miriam bas Bilga had learned the concept from her neighbors.

I was not saying the MBB heard it from neighbors.  I was just commenting the it seems simple that in 2019, we can pin it on others besides the parents.
Good Shabbos.
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« Reply #10376 on: September 06, 2019, 05:43:31 PM »
I was not saying the MBB heard it from neighbors.  I was just commenting the it seems simple that in 2019, we can pin it on others besides the parents.
Good Shabbos.
1. it was a reply to @Yonah when I wrote it was not so simple.
2. Why do you think that 2019 is so different in that regard?
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« Reply #10377 on: September 07, 2019, 10:07:12 PM »
Thats what I heard from RSK.
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Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #10379 on: September 07, 2019, 10:59:06 PM »