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« Reply #800 on: April 29, 2013, 04:29:58 PM »
I would imagine if the item was originally stolen and tracked down it would be the responsibility of whoever has the stolen goods to return them, the Vatican isn't all that known for releasing records though, it makes it way more difficult to prove.
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« Reply #801 on: April 29, 2013, 04:33:20 PM »
So who is the so-called rightful owner now?
I don't think anyone can determine that today.  If we're talking about an individual who is in possession of stolen goods that have changed hands hundreds of times, I'd say you're right.  But isn't the Vatican to be held to a higher standard?  I wouldn't want the highest office in my religion to knowingly possess stolen goods.  Especially when you consider they way in which they were likely obtained.

I'd think handing them over to Jewish communities or Jewish museums would be in order.

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« Reply #802 on: April 29, 2013, 05:10:00 PM »
All I am saying is we should not blame the current Vatican for past mistakes.
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« Reply #804 on: April 29, 2013, 05:12:53 PM »
All I am saying is we should not blame the current Vatican for past mistakes.

If the proper thing to do is to return these type of items, then we're blaming the current Vatican for it's ongoing mistake.

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« Reply #805 on: April 29, 2013, 05:16:14 PM »
If the proper thing to do is to return these type of items, then we're blaming the current Vatican for it's ongoing mistake.
That is a valid point but I have no idea what their position is.
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« Reply #806 on: April 29, 2013, 05:18:47 PM »
That is a valid point but I have no idea what their position is.
Umm . . .
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« Reply #808 on: April 29, 2013, 08:00:50 PM »
Maybe they never stole it in the first place? Is that possible?
They didn't necessarily steal it directly, it may have been donated or purchased from those who stole it.
So who is the so-called rightful owner now?
You know, even if by some freak of nature it wasn't stolen, it would still be appropriate to return it (and other Jewish treasures) as a minimal restitution for the ten thousands of Jewish books and cultural artefacts which were burnt at the personal initiation of various popes.

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« Reply #809 on: April 29, 2013, 08:02:43 PM »
You know, even if by some freak of nature it wasn't stolen, it would still be appropriate to return it (and other Jewish treasures) as a minimal restitution for the ten thousands of Jewish books and cultural artefacts which were burnt at the personal initiation of various popes.
All I am saying is we should not blame the current Vatican for past mistakes.

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« Reply #810 on: April 29, 2013, 08:04:34 PM »
If the proper thing to do is to return these type of items, then we're blaming the current Vatican for it's ongoing mistake.

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« Reply #811 on: April 29, 2013, 09:34:49 PM »
Maybe they never stole it in the first place? Is that possible?
True maybe it was just "plundered". See here for an example http://lubbockonline.com/stories/112504/rel_112504098.shtml

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« Reply #814 on: May 01, 2013, 09:06:09 PM »
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