Next Vatican - Ideas

[yawn]

Why oh why do people take the bait? 

You think he’s the only one who enjoys it?

[CountValentine]

The Pope lecturing Jews (or anyone!)  about morality and peace has the ring of the CEO of ExxonMobil lecturing Eskimoes about climate change. His org has too much bloody baggage for him to even venture into opining on such things.

Hello pot. 

[aygart]

Regardless of your opinions about who does and doesn't deserve respect, there are times that the smarter thing to do is to just keep quiet. Actually, that time is always

[imayid2]

there are times that the smarter thing to do is to just keep quiet. Actually, that time is always

Forums & blogs clearly don’t pasken this shitta.

[imayid2]

Hello pot. 

Alol

Judaism does not have an official representative or leader though lecturing others about morality in that capacity. Also, the adherents who do lecture about morality, aren’t lecturing the very people “they” killed or oppressed for centuries.

Kind of different, don’t you think?

[CountValentine]

Alol

Judaism does not have an official representative or leader though lecturing others about morality in that capacity. Also, the adherents who do lecture about morality, aren’t lecturing the very people “they” killed or oppressed for centuries.

Kind of different, don’t you think?

If you believe in Judaism then you believe it was ok to wipeout a whole race.
AKA: genocide
I would not be throwing any rocks.

[imayid2]

If you believe in Judaism then you believe it was ok to wipeout a whole race.
AKA: genocide
I would not be throwing any rocks.

Fair point IMO

[yfr bachur]

If you believe in Judaism then you believe it was ok to wipeout a whole race.
AKA: genocide
I would not be throwing any rocks.

Sigh.
I see maybe just a little difference between what for millennia was a remembrance of a commandment to wipe out a single specific enemy tribe (the last time the commandment actually being acted upon was circa 3000 years ago), versus two millennia of violence towards many different targets, (but especially the Jews), that ended a mere 60 years ago.

[CountValentine]

Fair point IMO

Now here is the main difference.
Pope Francis has spoken out about the past injustices in the RCC.
Have any followers of Judaism spoken out the atrocity of eliminating a whole race?

Kind of different, don’t you think?

Remember what I have always said. Man is corrupt. All religions have been corrupted by man.
We all would like to think our religion is pure, but history has shown that is not the case.

[CountValentine]

I see maybe just a little difference between what for millennia was a remembrance of a commandment to wipe out a single specific enemy tribe

The hide behind a religion defense for trying to commit genocide.
...but keep throwing the rocks!

[CountValentine]

Regardless of your opinions about who does and doesn't deserve respect, there are times that the smarter thing to do is to just keep quiet. Actually, that time is always

...or do the proper thing.
We all know Trump was no fan of the Pope.
“Rest in peace, Pope Francis! May God bless him and all who loved him!”

[yfr bachur]

...or do the proper thing.
We all know Trump was no fan of the Pope.
“Rest in peace, Pope Francis! May God bless him and all who loved him!”

May all the faithful who are bereft at the loss find true consolation.

[Jeremiah]

Fair point IMO

Fair point???
For all you Jews that don’t understand basic Mitzvos

https://rebgershonribner.com/why-murdering-amalek-babies-is-not-a-hypocritical-hamas-tactic

[yfr bachur]

The hide behind a religion defense for trying to commit genocide.
...but keep throwing the rocks!

Not hiding behind anything.
One is a single ancient historical action, that I have admitted that I am not equipped with the theological knowledge to discuss, debate, defend. Accompanied by the constant remembrance since then that "oh yeh, we have this commandment" but no action.
The other is millennia of violence directed at MANY different directions but especially MY nation, that has only ended 60 years ago.

[yfr bachur]

Fair point???
For all you Jews that don’t understand basic Mitzvos

https://rebgershonribner.com/why-murdering-amalek-babies-is-not-a-hypocritical-hamas-tactic

Um... not convinced here that this speaks at all to whom he is trying to answer. Pretty weak answer if I must say.

We blow a shofar and the rabbis are the soldiers vs you snuck in.... And SO?

[CountValentine]

The same theme throughout. I man of compassion for the people. Just a small sample.

Donald Trump
“Rest in peace, Pope Francis! May God bless him and all who loved him!”

Ursula von der Leyen
“Today the world mourns the passing of Pope Francis. He inspired millions of people, far beyond the Catholic Church, with his humility and love so pure for the less fortunate.”

Volodymyr Zelensky
“He knew how to give hope, ease suffering through prayer, and foster unity. He prayed for peace in Ukraine and for Ukrainians.”

Vladimir Putin
“The Pope did much good not only for his flock, but for the world as a whole,”

Emmanuel Macron
"From Buenos Aires to Rome, Pope Francis wanted the Church to bring joy and hope to the poorest. To unite men with each other and with nature. May this hope always be resurrected beyond him,"

Olaf Scholz
“With Pope Francis, the Catholic Church and the world lose an advocate for the weak, a reconciling and warm-hearted person. I greatly appreciated his clear view of the challenges that concern us.”

Pedro Sanchez
“I mourn the passing of Pope Francis. His commitment to peace, social justice, and the most vulnerable leaves a profound legacy.”

Recep Tayyip Erdogan
“dialogue between different religious communities” and to take “initiatives in the face of humanitarian tragedies, particularly on the Palestinian issue and the genocide in Gaza,”

King Charles
“will be remembered for his compassion, his concern for the unity of the Church and his tireless commitment to the common causes of all people of faith and those of goodwill working for the benefit of others”.

Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva
"the Pope of welcome" and praising his affection "free of prejudice and judgment, in a world that suffers from discrimination and intolerance" capable of reminding us that precisely because we are brothers "there is no reason for so much discord, so much hatred, so many wars and so much inequality in the world."

Narendra Modi
“Pope Francis will always be remembered as a beacon of compassion, humility and spiritual courage by millions of people around the world.”

Isaac Herzog
“The late Pope Francis was a man of deep faith and boundless compassion, he dedicated his life to uplifting the poor and calling for peace in a troubled world”.

Benjamin Netanyahu
Dead silence!!! 

[CountValentine]

Not hiding behind anything.
One is a single ancient historical action,

It is the worst atrocity one can commit.
How can a Jew of all people not understand that.

[yfr bachur]

Go away. Seriously.
The Titular Head of State expressed his condolences.
We all know what he's said about Israel over the last two years, how the Vatican and Israel have been at odds...
We don't all have to play make believe friends just because he passed on.

In a letter to Middle East Catholics on the first anniversary of the Hamas onslaught, Francis did not mention the Palestinian terror group by name or explicitly reference its atrocities.

At the end of November, he went a step further and denounced “the invader’s arrogance” in both “Ukraine” and “Palestine,” breaking with the Holy See’s modern tradition of neutrality. And in a book excerpt published that month, he said some international experts had posited that “what is happening in Gaza has the characteristics of a genocide.”

In December, Francis twice slammed Israel’s “cruelty” in Gaza, and provoked further outrage in Jerusalem by inaugurating a nativity scene at the Vatican that featured the baby Jesus lying on a keffiyeh, the traditional scarf used by Palestinians as a national symbol.

In January, the pope called the humanitarian situation in Gaza “shameful,” prompting criticism from Rome’s chief rabbi, Riccardo Di Segni, who accused Francis of “selective indignation.”

[yfr bachur]

It is the worst atrocity one can commit.
How can a Jew of all people not understand that.

By your measure: One attempt at the worst atrocity one can commit vs millennia of actual attempts at said atrocity.

(And I'm not sure that I actually agree with the statement anyway)

[yawn]

I think Bibi deserves at least the 3 months the pope got after 10/7 to issue a halfhearted statement.