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Re: Next Vatican - Ideas
« Reply #20 on: April 23, 2025, 06:46:19 PM »
I was a small child, but over the years I've made them...

Then switch out whoever you consider the leader of the Jewish people, and think about how you would feel about jokes made about him in the days after he died.

I'm not defending the pope, I'm advocating for the slightest bit of empathy.

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Re: Next Vatican - Ideas
« Reply #21 on: April 23, 2025, 07:12:50 PM »
Then switch out whoever you consider the leader of the Jewish people, and think about how you would feel about jokes made about him in the days after he died.

I'm not defending the pope, I'm advocating for the slightest bit of empathy.
There's a difference between a joke, and dancing on someones grave.

OTOH I have ZERO sympathy/empathy/etc for any death in an organization that has likely caused more pain to the Jewish people over the last two millennia than anything else in existence. It's not some random politician or sports star or even the Dahli Lahma, it's the POPE, rosh lechol davar shebetuma... The titular head of an organization that committed and promoted atrocities to Yidden over the centuries no different than what Hamas did on October 7. An org devoted truly to Shmading Jews for millennia... This is the same org that brought us Crusades, Inquisitions, innumerable Expulsions, Forced Conversions. Spare me the tears please.

What do you think the Kedoshim of York think? Or Sefarad? or the numerous Kehilos of the Reine Valley? or the ancient Kehilos of Italy? You know what the Popes did to them, when they were actually the monarchs over large swaths of Italy? Sympathy? Why?

You know the famous burning of the Talmud in Paris? Ordered by a Pope.

What exactly are we having sympathy for?

/rant

(additional rant: and this was the fellow who decided to move his org away from being a bastion of traditional morality towards the toeiva of modern society...!)
« Last Edit: April 23, 2025, 07:36:35 PM by yfr bachur »

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Re: Next Vatican - Ideas
« Reply #22 on: April 23, 2025, 07:36:12 PM »

What exactly are we having sympathy for?

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The good people whose leader has died.
Some will feel a spiritual void, and that is deserving of sympathy.


We also should daven for Hashem to pick someone who, going forward, will help Yidden throughout the world.
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Re: Next Vatican - Ideas
« Reply #23 on: April 23, 2025, 07:38:47 PM »
The good people whose leader has died.
Some will feel a spiritual void, and that is deserving of sympathy.
For Shituf? (At best!). Let them become Bnei Noach.
I aint having sympathy for someone who's Getchke died.

We also should daven for Hashem to pick someone who, going forward, will help Yidden throughout the world.
That's the only thing that is relevant to us.

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Re: Next Vatican - Ideas
« Reply #24 on: April 23, 2025, 07:41:46 PM »
For Shituf? (At best!). Let them become Bnei Noach.
I aint having sympathy for someone who's Getchke died.
That's the only thing that is relevant to us.
A pope who will advocate for the Noahide laws is certainly relevant.
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Re: Next Vatican - Ideas
« Reply #25 on: April 23, 2025, 07:44:57 PM »
A pope who will advocate for the Noahide laws is certainly relevant.

They have a little tiny winny trinity bit of a problem with one of them...  ;D
If they keep it, they aint catholic no more.
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Re: Next Vatican - Ideas
« Reply #27 on: April 23, 2025, 08:00:13 PM »
Judaism: The official religion of hate!!!  :P
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Re: Next Vatican - Ideas
« Reply #28 on: April 23, 2025, 08:04:43 PM »
Judaism: The official religion of hate!!!  :P

Some joking on an online forum won't harm anyone, OTOH...

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Re: Next Vatican - Ideas
« Reply #29 on: April 23, 2025, 08:05:19 PM »
Judaism: The official religion to hate!!!   :'(
Fixed that for the TENS OF MILLIONS of dead Jews murdered in the name of religion over the last two millennia

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Re: Next Vatican - Ideas
« Reply #30 on: April 23, 2025, 08:05:55 PM »
They have a little tiny winny trinity bit of a problem with one of them...  ;D
If they keep it, they aint catholic no more.
Its a machlokes if shituf is a problem for bnei noach

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Re: Next Vatican - Ideas
« Reply #31 on: April 23, 2025, 08:06:50 PM »
Some joking on an online forum won't harm anyone, OTOH...
I was not aware there is so much hate in Judaism. It is eye-opening.
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Re: Next Vatican - Ideas
« Reply #32 on: April 23, 2025, 08:07:25 PM »
Judaism: The official religion of hate!!!  :P
I was not aware there is so much hate in Judaism. It is eye-opening.
... The single instance of jokes made about the popes death posted in this thread were reposts of reactions made by US critstians  - as a response to someone wondering how US followers deal with Francis' sharp turn to the left...

Haven't seen any hateful comments otherwise here...

(And if you have a problem with the sordid history of the church - take it up with them - We didnt support their positions and actions over the centuries ;D)

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Re: Next Vatican - Ideas
« Reply #33 on: April 23, 2025, 08:07:36 PM »
I was not aware there is so much hate in Judaism. It is eye-opening.
Hate? Link? I think you are misreading something.

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Re: Next Vatican - Ideas
« Reply #34 on: April 23, 2025, 08:09:33 PM »
There's a difference between a joke, and dancing on someones grave.

OTOH I have ZERO sympathy/empathy/etc for any death in an organization that has likely caused more pain to the Jewish people over the last two millennia than anything else in existence. It's not some random politician or sports star or even the Dahli Lahma, it's the POPE, rosh lechol davar shebetuma... The titular head of an organization that committed and promoted atrocities to Yidden over the centuries no different than what Hamas did on October 7. An org devoted truly to Shmading Jews for millennia... This is the same org that brought us Crusades, Inquisitions, innumerable Expulsions, Forced Conversions. Spare me the tears please.

What do you think the Kedoshim of York think? Or Sefarad? or the numerous Kehilos of the Reine Valley? or the ancient Kehilos of Italy? You know what the Popes did to them, when they were actually the monarchs over large swaths of Italy? Sympathy? Why?

You know the famous burning of the Talmud in Paris? Ordered by a Pope.

What exactly are we having sympathy for?

/rant

(additional rant: and this was the fellow who decided to move his org away from being a bastion of traditional morality towards the toeiva of modern society...!)
People should be judged by their own merits and actions, not defined by others from centuries ago.

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Re: Next Vatican - Ideas
« Reply #35 on: April 23, 2025, 08:10:36 PM »
My main issue with him was his white Tziyonish yarmulka...  :P

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Re: Next Vatican - Ideas
« Reply #36 on: April 23, 2025, 08:11:29 PM »
People should be judged by their own merits and actions, not defined by others from centuries ago.
Pius XII is recent enough for me. That's within the last century.

Anyway, thats like asking me not to have a problem with the (theoretical) current head of the Nazi party bec they havent murdered jews for 75 years.
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Re: Next Vatican - Ideas
« Reply #37 on: April 23, 2025, 08:12:27 PM »
People should be judged by their own merits and actions, not defined by others from centuries ago.
That would mean you would have to honor the most compassionate religious leader the world has ever seen.
It is easier just to spew hate.
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Re: Next Vatican - Ideas
« Reply #38 on: April 23, 2025, 08:13:32 PM »
People should be judged by their own merits and actions, not defined by others from centuries ago.
+100

That is why I have ZERO animosity towards someone who is a christian or a catholic. However, someone who willingly REPRESENTS an organization whose hands are soaked with the blood of my grandfathers, that person does not deserve any tears from me, and is a worthy target for my angry posts on an online forum.

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Re: Next Vatican - Ideas
« Reply #39 on: April 23, 2025, 08:16:31 PM »
Judaism: The official religion of hate!!!  :P
The hypocrisy is startling
Does it get any worse? My daughter is dating a Jewish guy.  >:(