Next Vatican - Ideas

[CountValentine]

The hypocrisy is startling

That is because you don't know me. 

[yfr bachur]

That would mean you would have to honor the most compassionate religious leader the world has ever seen.
It is easier just to spew hate.

Recency Bias much?
Very Debatable. Even within his own faith.
Forget about the dozens of other contenders from other faiths.

[CountValentine]

Recency Bias much?
Very Debatable. Even within his own faith.
Forget about the dozens of other contenders from other faiths.

I don't even agree with all the positions he took.
He was the undisputed GOAT of compassion.
The rest are minor league wannabees!!!

[imayid2]

Pius XII is recent enough for me. That's within the last century.

Anyway, thats like asking me not to have a problem with the (theoretical) current head of the Nazi party bec they havent murdered jews for 75 years.

Hard to compare from before Vatican II to afterwards. Its a completely reformed institution.

[EliJelly]

I was not aware there is so much hate in Judaism. It is eye-opening.

Forget about the person, what do you expect our feelings to be towards the role and the organsaition which that represents, in the context of our history? 

[Jellybelly]

I don't even agree with all the positions he took.
He was the undisputed GOAT of compassion.
The rest are minor league wannabees!!!

Too much compassion isn’t always a good thing…..

PETA is the GOAT of compassion for animals…

[yfr bachur]

I don't even agree with all the positions he took.
He was the undisputed GOAT of compassion.
The rest are minor league wannabees!!!

Mother Theresa?

[Definitions2]

Forget about the person, what do you expect our feelings to be towards the role and the organsaition which that represents, in the context of our history?

What does this mean? What did the organization do to you? Whatever that is, that is how you should feel.

What do you feel about Americans today based on the 1800's Americans that supported slavery?

[CountValentine]

Forget about the person, what do you expect our feelings to be towards the role and the organsaition which that represents, in the context of our history?

Don't know what to expect but we are seeing hate and sick comments/jokes/parodies.

[imayid2]

+100

That is why I have ZERO animosity towards someone who is a christian or a catholic. However, someone who willingly REPRESENTS an organization whose hands are soaked with the blood of my grandfathers, that person does not deserve any tears from me, and is a worthy target for my angry posts on an online forum.

Every Catholic is a part of the Catholic Church which is led by the Vatican. Why do the participants get a free pass? Only the head of the Nazis were bad but not the individual Nazis?

[justaregularguy]

What does this mean? What did the organization do to you? Whatever that is, that is how you should feel.

What do you feel about Americans today based on the 1800's Americans that supported slavery?

you don’t have a revulsion when seeing nazi symbols since you didn’t go through the holocaust? 

[Euclid]

I don't think this is a conversation that should be happening virtually, and certainly not on the internet.

(Let's have a DO...)

[CountValentine]

I don't think this is a conversation that should be happening virtually, and certainly not on the internet.

(Let's have a DO...)

It is good to see one's true feelings.

[yfr bachur]

Look CV, I'm not stupid, and I get that maybe you think my posts are "hate"
But I very much echo YitzyS' outlook where we have respect for upstanding moral people of faith.
I'm not a expert jewish theologian, so I have no idea how much heaven a more or less observant Critstian gets for basically observing 6ish of the Noahide laws, but theres something.
I do know that Maimonides (I believe) explains that the monotheism spread throughout the world by both Critsianity and Isalm (as opposed to polytheism) is a needed step in the progress of the world towards the coming of the Messiah.

On the other hand... The church as an ideology, an institution and the leadership roles thereof... are a very different story.

[imayid2]

I don't think this is a conversation that should be happening virtually, and certainly not on the internet.

(Let's have a DO...)

There are countless conversations like this all over the internet anyways.

[justaregularguy]

must’ve been fighting with your autocorrect on this one 

[yawn]

Don't know what to expect but we are seeing hate and sick comments/jokes/parodies.

Aha. So a few people on a somewhat anonymous forum make distasteful jokes and you denigrate an entire ethnicity religion based on it. Textbook racism. I'm sure the Pope is proud. (last line was sarcasm.)

[Jellybelly]

Don't know what to expect but we are seeing hate and sick comments/jokes/parodies.

Do you understand where it’s coming from?

[imayid2]

Aha. So a few people on a somewhat anonymous forum make distasteful jokes and you denigrate an entire ethnicity based on it. Textbook racism. I'm sure the Pope is proud. (last line was sarcasm.)

Correction: Judaism is a religion, not an ethnicity.

[justaregularguy]

Aha. So a few people on a somewhat anonymous forum make distasteful jokes and you denigrate an entire ethnicity based on it. Textbook racism. I'm sure the Pope is proud. (last line was sarcasm.)

cv may say he’s referring to all the jokes made elsewhere and the lack of pushback from this forum is his concern..just a guess