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Re: Next Vatican - Ideas
« Reply #80 on: April 23, 2025, 09:05:19 PM »
Always fun to rehash the same conversations in different contexts :)

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Re: Next Vatican - Ideas
« Reply #81 on: April 23, 2025, 09:05:51 PM »
Where is your "dividing line"? Five minutes ago? A decade ago? a century ago?
when did it become this "new", "unrelated" orginisation?
There isn't a definitive answer to that. I guess each person has their own line.

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Re: Next Vatican - Ideas
« Reply #82 on: April 23, 2025, 09:06:00 PM »
So they got all the babies except that one?
Yes, but boy did that one cause problems!!

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Re: Next Vatican - Ideas
« Reply #83 on: April 23, 2025, 09:06:30 PM »
Where is your "dividing line"? Five minutes ago? A decade ago? a century ago?
when did it become this "new", "unrelated" orginisation?
When has Pope Francis every been a persecutor, oppressor and murderer of jews.
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Re: Next Vatican - Ideas
« Reply #84 on: April 23, 2025, 09:06:37 PM »
Some Jews, Yes.
You fail to see/understand what the church is. For millennia, from the very beginning of the church, it has been a persecutor, oppressor and murderer of jews. Ideologically. For Centuries.
Until about five minutes ago when viewed relative to the length of history.
Where is your "dividing line"? Five minutes ago? A decade ago? a century ago?
when did it become this "new", "unrelated" orginisation?
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Re: Next Vatican - Ideas
« Reply #85 on: April 23, 2025, 09:07:20 PM »
Yes, but boy did that one cause problems!!
So Hamas got the idea from Jews to kill babies?
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Re: Next Vatican - Ideas
« Reply #86 on: April 23, 2025, 09:07:35 PM »
Important distinction: the Amelikes actually tried to wipe out the Jews first and presented an acute danger to them.
https://aish.com/wiping-out-amalek/

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Re: Next Vatican - Ideas
« Reply #87 on: April 23, 2025, 09:07:53 PM »
When has Pope Francis every been a persecutor, oppressor and murderer of jews.
Did he call for to investigate Israel for genocide?

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Re: Next Vatican - Ideas
« Reply #88 on: April 23, 2025, 09:09:21 PM »
Important distinction: the Amelikes actually tried to wipe out the Jews first and presented an acute danger to them.
Did the babies have AK-47's when they were slaughtered?
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Re: Next Vatican - Ideas
« Reply #89 on: April 23, 2025, 09:10:33 PM »
just leaving this here from R' Avigdor Miller zt'l:

Q: You’ve spoken quite harshly about the liberals, saying that they’re a danger to America. Which is worse, the old-fashioned Christians who killed millions, or the modern-day liberals who stress civil rights?

A: This is a queer question. First of all, old-fashioned Christians didn’t kill millions. Millions were only killed by modern Christians, the ones who are not really Christians anyhow. The old-fashioned Christians only killed thousands. I say that because you have to give credit where credit is due.

It’s like that reform rabbi, Maurice Eisendrath, before he departed for warmer climates, so his last words were a great blast against President Nixon. He said, “President Nixon makes me think of the Nazis. It’s an echo of the Nazis.” Well, that’s as silly as can be! First of all, President Nixon is very far from being a Nazi. If President Nixon is a little bit incensed at the “Jew boys” who make so much trouble for him, I don’t blame him at all. (In 1974 articles in the American press claimed that President Nixon had used the epithet “Jew boys” when referring to some of his political enemies.) If I were in his shoes I wouldn’t be satisfied with saying such a mild expression. I’d call them something else; these Jew boys with a blank after it. After all, it was the Jew boys who were making all the trouble.

So how does Eisendrath come to call him a Nazi?! What do we Jews suffer from Nixon? And even the Russians; we can’t call the Russians “Nazis.” We have to be careful in our choice of words. Although the Russians did kill millions, and they killed many Jews too, but they are very far from earning the name of Nazis. People bandy about the word Nazi; if the gabbai in shul didn’t give you the aliyah you wanted, so “He’s a Nazi!” It’s foolish talk.

And so let’s speak up for the old fashioned Christians who did not kill millions. And as far as the new liberal who stresses civil rights, well, I have a lot to say on that subject but we’ll skip it for today, because I think I’ve spoken about that plenty.

TAPE # 61 (May 1974)


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Re: Next Vatican - Ideas
« Reply #90 on: April 23, 2025, 09:12:06 PM »
Did the babies have AK-47's when they were slaughtered?

classic baby hitler conundrum - only a prophet or the torah can sanction

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Re: Next Vatican - Ideas
« Reply #91 on: April 23, 2025, 09:13:25 PM »
Google Vatican II
I am aware.
Not sure why that absolves the org from anything. Its not like they even said sorry.

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Re: Next Vatican - Ideas
« Reply #92 on: April 23, 2025, 09:15:16 PM »
So Hamas got the idea from Jews to kill babies?
Nah, was standard practice back in the day to wipe out your enemies. Hamas barbaraians are stuck in the Bronze ages.

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Re: Next Vatican - Ideas
« Reply #93 on: April 23, 2025, 09:23:37 PM »
I don't even agree with all the positions he took.
He was the undisputed GOAT of compassion.
The rest are minor league wannabees!!!
educate us.
what makes him heads and shoulders undisputed Goat over the dozens of other cardinals, scores upon scores of priests, monks and nuns? the fact the he got elevated to the highest positiojn in the church?

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Re: Next Vatican - Ideas
« Reply #94 on: April 23, 2025, 09:30:57 PM »
That would mean you would have to honor the most compassionate religious leader the world has ever seen.
It is easier just to spew hate.
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Re: Next Vatican - Ideas
« Reply #95 on: April 23, 2025, 09:35:04 PM »
I don't even agree with all the positions he took.
He was the undisputed GOAT of compassion.
The rest are minor league wannabees!!!
Compassion without measure isn't compassion.
ie. Compassion for the thief is uncompassionate to the victim.
Compassionate giving of public money to the poor is uncompassionate to the one who pays taxes.
And for that matter, unconditionally giving everything to 'the poor' isn't compassionate when it promotes laziness and a lack of self worth.


So maybe His compassion was misplaced enough not to be the undisputed GOAT.
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Re: Next Vatican - Ideas
« Reply #96 on: April 23, 2025, 09:38:00 PM »
ie. Compassion for the thief is uncompassionate to the victim.
This is where the Pope and many Catholics would disagree.
Seems to be a fundamental difference between religions.
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Re: Next Vatican - Ideas
« Reply #97 on: April 23, 2025, 09:43:51 PM »
This is where the Pope and many Catholics would disagree.
Seems to be a fundamental difference between religions.
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Re: Next Vatican - Ideas
« Reply #99 on: April 23, 2025, 09:50:37 PM »
Compassion without measure isn't compassion.
ie. Compassion for the thief is uncompassionate to the victim.
Compassionate giving of public money to the poor is uncompassionate to the one who pays taxes.
And for that matter, unconditionally giving everything to 'the poor' isn't compassionate when it promotes laziness and a lack of self worth.


So maybe His compassion was misplaced enough not to be the undisputed GOAT.
ie. Showing compassion for a kosher meat kingpin is uncompassionate for the children that worked for him.
Am I getting this right?  :)
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