Marry Young / Shidduch Crisis

[Baruch]

Making major changes based on anecdotes is a sure way to have serious unintended consequences. Very sloppy.

Why isn't there a serious study done?
Is there so little respect for the intellect of the community?

[aygart]

That's similar to saying "where in shulchan aruch does it say..."

-1 the whole premise of that question is wrong. If you go with that premise you will be matir avos melachos

[UKinNYS]

There are/were attempts https://www.arccinstitute.org/daas
https://mishpacha.com/the-truth-behind-the-numbers/

Why isn't there a serious study done? Is there so little respect for the intellect of the community?

[Euclid]

Why isn't there a serious study done?
Is there so little respect for the intellect of the community?

Maybe ayin hara type of reasons not to?

[aygart]

There are/were attempts https://www.arccinstitute.org/daas
https://mishpacha.com/the-truth-behind-the-numbers/

Exactly this. Any study done shows that the crisis does not exist.

[ushdadude]

Making major changes based on anecdotes is a sure way to have serious unintended consequences. Very sloppy.

are there major changes being proposed?

[aygart]

are there major changes being proposed?

Any talk of changing an age gap is about making a major change

[EliJelly]

Are yeshivish boys in Israel getting married younger than boys in the US?

[avromie7]

Making major changes based on anecdotes is a sure way to have serious unintended consequences. Very sloppy.

Like turning a perceived shortage of boys into an actual shortage of girls.

[aygart]

Like turning a perceived shortage of boys into an actual shortage of girls.

Even based on the anecdotes, there is supposedly a surplus of boys in some chassidishe communities. Both these boys and potential surplus girls in yeshivish communities often end up marrying, thereby alleviating both surpluses. If you change the start social engineering to end the supposed surplus of girls then you can be dooming chassidishe boys to never get married.

[yelped]

Even based on the anecdotes, there is supposedly a surplus of boys in some chassidishe communities. Both these boys and potential surplus girls in yeshivish communities often end up marrying, thereby alleviating both surpluses. If you change the start social engineering to end the supposed surplus of girls then you can be dooming chassidishe boys to never get married.

Really? How many Litvishe girls married Chassidishe boys? IME, I've not that seen that.

[jye]

There are/were attempts https://www.arccinstitute.org/daas
https://mishpacha.com/the-truth-behind-the-numbers/

MO researchers whose methodology, was apparently to circulate an online study.

The responses of the audience they managed to reach included sentiments such as that there is way too much gender separation during younger years in the community. Is it any wonder that their conclusion might not reflect the reality on the ground?

According to their data, a mere 8% of 30-year-old girls
are single. In Rechnitz daughters class it’s a third. Almost overwhelming anecdotal evidence tells you that there is a flaw in their conclusion that there is no mismatch between boys and girls. Ask everyone who has a boy and girl in the.parsha at the same time as I have had and they will tell you that whether one is looking for long-term learner, short term kollel, or straight out working boy there is an imbalance between the girls and boys in the parsha.

^^^ this ^^^
We can all argue about advanced math that most of us can’t understand. But no one in charedi litvish circles knows more single boys than girls. It’s a fact at this point. You can debate the reasons, who’s to blame, and what to do about it. But don’t bury your head in the sand.

[Dan]

Really? How many Litvishe girls married Chassidishe boys? IME, I've not that seen that.

Happens in Chabad sometimes.

[aygart]

Really? How many Litvishe girls married Chassidishe boys? IME, I've not that seen that.

Usually tilting more heimish and not as hard core chassidish, but happens very regularly.

[aygart]

If you don't like these studies then go and do a counter study. Don't start social engineering based on anecdotes because MAYBE a study didn't get every last data point you would like it to.

[Baruch]

Like turning a perceived shortage of boys into an actual shortage of girls.

This is actually scary.

[Ver hut gazugt]

Really? How many Litvishe girls married Chassidishe boys? IME, I've not that seen that.

anecdotally, my litvishe aunt married chassidish in her late 30’s or early 40’s.

[Baruch]

Rabbi Ribner says that 15 years ago there was a meeting about the shidduch crisis.
If there was a crisis then, I'm assuming there were hundreds (thousands?) of girls that were 28 and up. It's 15 years later, are there hundreds (thousands?) of girls 43 and up not married?

[Baruch]

Exactly this. Any study done shows that the crisis does not exist.

I think Ami also had a study showing there's no crisis.

Totally anecdotal, but when I was in Monmouth hospital maternity ward, I asked around, and they said there's noticeably more boys being born to the Jewish community.

I honestly don't know if there's a crisis, and if the age gap is the answer, but to not do a serious study, seems insane.

[Dan]

Totally anecdotal, but when I was in Monmouth hospital maternity ward, I asked around, and they said there's noticeably more boys being born to the Jewish community.

Of all the potential reasons, a gender imbalance at birth seems the most farfetched to me.