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Re: Make Pesach Great Again!
« Reply #20 on: April 15, 2025, 05:18:58 AM »
In my shul growing up, there was a simple rule. The seat is "yours" till ashrei. If you aren't there by then, then anyone can sit there.

Also some shuls appoint someone to be the "welcomer" to guide people to where there may be an empty seat.

As a guest, it's really off-putting when you are really deep into a tefila and someone taps you on the shoulder - "my seat". (I understand doing it for an older child, who needs to feel like he belongs and has a place in shul... but stam a random mispalel?)

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Re: Make Pesach Great Again!
« Reply #21 on: April 15, 2025, 08:04:05 AM »
In my shul growing up, there was a simple rule. The seat is "yours" till ashrei. If you aren't there by then, then anyone can sit there.

Also some shuls appoint someone to be the "welcomer" to guide people to where there may be an empty seat.

As a guest, it's really off-putting when you are really deep into a tefila and someone taps you on the shoulder - "my seat". (I understand doing it for an older child, who needs to feel like he belongs and has a place in shul... but stam a random mispalel?)
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When I was growing up, the seat was reserved for you until Borchu. Where I daven now, there is no official rule, but there should be. I believe that paying for membership and getting a seat doesn't mean that the seat belongs to you fully (Can I take the chair home after davening? Why not, I paid for it!), rather it means that you have first dibs on the use of the seat. You should not be able to force it to remain empty when you are not in shul.

In my shul, there are often multiple minyanim. Do I own the seat for all minyanim, and I can make sure it's empty for all of them, even though I'm only using it by one? I think not. I think that it just gives you the right to use that seat when you are there. And if you are going to miss half of davening, you should not be allowed to prevent someone else from using your seat for that tefillah.

When I'm a guest in shul and I'm not sure which seat is available, I take a seat and I keep switching to other open seats every few minutes, so in case I'm in someone's seat, they can reclaim it. But after Borchu, I stay put, assuming that it's really vacant.

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Re: Make Pesach Great Again!
« Reply #22 on: April 15, 2025, 11:33:32 AM »
I understand doing it for an older child, who needs to feel like he belongs and has a place in shul...
I strongly agree with this. Children need to feel comfortable in shul. "Children should give their seat up for adults" applies at a kiddush, not during davening.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Make Pesach Great Again!
« Reply #23 on: April 15, 2025, 11:37:17 AM »
Also some shuls appoint someone to be the "welcomer" to guide people to where there may be an empty seat.
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Re: Make Pesach Great Again!
« Reply #24 on: April 15, 2025, 01:03:45 PM »
There are two types of people when it come to others being in their seat.

1. Makom Tefillah, buddy. Get out!

2. *Puts down his Talis bag, opens his Siddur, brings his Chumash.* The seat-taker asks in surprise: Am I in your seat?!
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Re: Make Pesach Great Again!
« Reply #25 on: April 15, 2025, 04:25:14 PM »
There are two types of people when it come to others being in their seat.

1. Makom Tefillah, buddy. Get out!

2. *Puts down his Talis bag, opens his Siddur, brings his Chumash.* The seat-taker asks in surprise: Am I in your seat?!
3. Thinks to himself "well, it's a guest, and it's only one tefila, and he seems to be really having kavana... Its a shame to disturb him. I'll sit in the free seat across the aisle"

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Re: Make Pesach Great Again!
« Reply #26 on: April 15, 2025, 04:27:22 PM »
3. Thinks to himself "well, it's a guest, and it's only one tefila, and he seems to be really having kavana... Its a shame to disturb him. I'll sit in the free seat across the aisle"

This, especially YT with all the guests. I don't have a YT seat. It is what it is. Not worth making someone uncomfortable over.
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Re: Make Pesach Great Again!
« Reply #27 on: April 15, 2025, 04:55:07 PM »
3. Thinks to himself "well, it's a guest, and it's only one tefila, and he seems to be really having kavana... Its a shame to disturb him. I'll sit in the free seat across the aisle"

I agree 100% with what you're saying, but can really depend on the situation, and which Tefillah it is etc.

You can often go over to him by Borchu or the like, and show him where to sit. Be accommodating.
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Re: Make Pesach Great Again!
« Reply #28 on: April 15, 2025, 05:28:53 PM »
I agree 100% with what you're saying, but can really depend on the situation, and which Tefillah it is etc.

You can often go over to him by Borchu or the like, and show him where to sit. Be accommodating.
I find it "nicest" when someone, not the seats owner, says "you know, you are sitting in that yids seat, but the seat over there is available"