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Re: TR: Pesach to the US with family
« Reply #40 on: May 08, 2025, 07:22:05 PM »

Kids woke up very late and between everybody, the meal started around chatzos. (At least I didn't have to worry about eating the next seudah with an appetite.) Between that and the Mincha right before shkiyah at Beis Sofrim, we were able to rest some more and I got another solid seder in.
Before second seder, I made havdala in my room with my family. I reviewed the halachos of the seder (for bnei EY) with them, and it was by far the best and most relaxed "seder" I had. In a nutshell:
-must have in mind that we are saying shevach vhodaah but not being yotzei vehigadeta
-no extra berachos (no al achilas or asher gealanu or yehalelucha)
-Although my family is generally yotzei with the kiddush of the one leading the seder, we couldn't be yotzei this time because asher bachar banu is a hefsek, so we had to make our own hagafens after
-no need to drink or eat anything more than the smallest shiur 
-didn't bother being makpid on chatzos or being careful to eat the afikoman with an appetite


Same chavrusa for each seder? ;)
Btw, we we also had a ben EY at the second seder, first two kosos was wine, then he switched to water.. Didn't follow the rest if it was done right according to your well researched structure.  :)


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Re: TR: Pesach to the US with family
« Reply #41 on: May 09, 2025, 02:45:42 AM »
Same chavrusa for each seder? ;)
Btw, we we also had a ben EY at the second seder, first two kosos was wine, then he switched to water.. Didn't follow the rest if it was done right according to your well researched structure.  :)
If by "water," you mean grape juice...
The first and only other time I did this (2016), I didn't really follow those rules like I should have.
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Re: TR: Pesach to the US D16-19
« Reply #42 on: May 12, 2025, 06:05:07 AM »
Days 16-19
Despite our best efforts, we didn't really set out on the drive until 1ish, maybe even later. I still remember packing and repacking the car to fit the bags of food and clothes we needed and then starting again when three more bags were produced.
First part of the drive was uneventful. We arrived in Lakewood about 3:30 or so. This was a scheduled stop - we had always planned on it as part of the trip. We had an early seudas Chol Hamoed at my aunt and uncle's house. My father's brother, he should be well, was physically impaired but K"H his brain was as sharp as ever (he moved there from my grandfather A"H's house in Far Rockaway a bunch of years back to live near his many children who are in the Lakewood area). A cousin who was originally living in Sanhedria Murchevet also came for the meal with his family and a nephew of mine who was visiting there. We also took the opportunity to daven minchah. I enjoyed how long this Lakewood "minyan factory," Kol Shimshon, took to daven.
We continued on our way around 6ish, arriving in Baltimore after one stop (the last rest stop on the NJ Turnpike, which somehow took twenty minutes) around 9:30 or so. I'm sure there must have been horrible traffic but I was sleeping so I don't know for sure. And of course, we davened Maariv at Merkaz Torah UTefilah (Rabbi Eichenstein's), a place that gave us Scheiners vibes (down to the tents). I ended up davening there every weekday, because they were in walking distance and the first minyan there got to Shemoneh Esrei very shortly after netz (I simply davened ahead). Ran into people from Sanhedria Murchevet and people from my chaburah in the Mir.
We were hosted by my sister, who has been living there for many years (ten? maybe not that long). My brother from Florida had come up with his family for the entire Yom Tov and was staying by my parents, who own a house in Baltimore and plan to move there from Monsey. We spent YT together as three families plus my parents. After I got back from Shacharis, and as the only one awake, I accompanied my sister (the host) to drop off her two boys for davening and then to stock up at Seven Mile Market (according to marketing, the largest frum store in the world, though not seven miles large - and I'm sceptical, but they are probably close). We did the same kind of stock up we always seemed to do - a huge amount of milchigs, special fruit and veggies, a mountain of bananas, some dips, lots of chicken and three cases of bottled water. Costs seemed somewhere between Bingo and Evergreen, and obviously, the selection was somewhat less, but they seemed well stocked with everything.
Managed a trip to two wine stores (Quarry and I forget the other), neither of which had too much Jewish stock, and Shabsi's seforim store, which could have passed for any seforim store in the tri-state area.
Later in the day, we went to Quarry lake and met my wife's cousins who live in Baltimore. (One of them told me a story about when he tried to buy stone for his garden when Quarry Lake was still a quarry. They told him that they weigh the trucks before and after and charge for the difference. Problem was that when he filled up his four-seater, the difference didn't register on the scale at all! After some discussion among themselves, he was charged a dollar.)
Indirect thanks to DDF - I purchased a copy of TTR for them as a YT present, and it was definitely a hit. (They already owned Europe. I also got Europe for my Floridian brother.)
YT, we mostly davened in Agudah of Greesnsprings. On first day of YT, my brother-in-law and I walked to Rav Heineman's shul for netz - about forty minutes or so. B"H the cousins got along famously. A splendid time was had by all.
YT Sheni, we made havdalah in the basement where we were sleeping without aish, and then we were yotzei aish during my brother-in-law's yaknehaz kiddush. (Once again, I cautioned my kids that they could not be yotzei with the host's hagafen.) As I was anyways davening netz, it didn't really matter that I was putting on tefillin in the basement, and I got in a good seder during davening at the Greensprings Agudah.
"Rumpeling" was done at lightning speed thanks to all the kids who preferred helping versus going to sleep. However, the meal that night was still Pesachdik (I'm sure there was chometz to be had, but we didn't bother to eat it when there was great Pesach leftovers.)
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Re: TR: Pesach to the US D20-21
« Reply #43 on: May 15, 2025, 06:02:45 AM »
After davening in the first minyan at Rabbi Eichenstein, I came home to a quiet house. As the weather was that perfect mix of temperature and breeze for walking, I decided to walk to Seven Mile and stock up on chometz. I wrote down the Google Maps directions (~2.5 miles - NOT SEVEN as advertised  >:() and was about to leave when my 11YO asked if she could come. I was happy to agree because I always try to reward her for being dressed and having davened early. My 21YO niece also decided this was a great idea (negating the need for directions), and my 11YO spent the walk happily chattering away with her. ("Is a "hump" the same as a "bump"?") It took around 40 minutes. (We're all big walkers.) We picked up fresh bagels and even some pitas, got another mountain of bananas, and some kitniyos for the GFers (the buckwheat cakes were a hit). (I called my sister from the store to ask if she needed anything, and she said it was okay, she would do her own shopping later. She later told me that it never occurred to her that we were calling from Seven Mile - she thought we were in one of the non-Jewish stores closer by...) On our way out of the parking lot, a lady who knew my niece from work offered us a ride home, which we wouldn't have needed but it was starting to rain...
After a very satisfying breakfast, my parents took us to see their house, which was also where my brother from Florida is staying. It's a very fancy place in a gated collection of apartment buildings. Even though we were only there for two hours, my 4YO managed to shatter a glass pane by walking into it (he wasn't running, DW says). HE was fine, if a bit startled, B"H.
We left Baltimore after Minchah, stopping at a Pizza store in Monsey for supper just before they were about to close (we called ahead to be sure). Then we went across the street to Amazing Savings, where my kids picked out a combo afikoman present+present from Bubby (and for 11YO, a birthday present, which she had saved to shop "in America where they have other things" - though she didn't find anything...).

DW and kids stayed in Monsey on Tuesday (my parents both had work). My Monsey sister and one of her married kids took them out to eat and to the latter's house, where they had a blast (based on the pictures I saw). I took the B&H bus to Manhattan with my father, where I met a brother who also works there and a few other acquaintances. I then took the train (gasp!) into Brooklyn and got a Bagel Hole breakfast (this cost me exactly double what it had cost the last time I had it.) Got in a seder at the Mir as well as said goodbye to Rav Osher Kalmanowitz. Spent some time at the library clearing out my inbox and feeds. Then I went back to Boro Park and returned my phone rental, meeting a brother for an early supper at China Glatt (just the two of us shmoozing about life like old times) and catching the 7PM Monsey bus back.
After Maariv at Rabbi Scheiner's, we did some preliminary moving of belongings and went to sleep.

Lakewood Minyan Factory https://www.godaven.com/shul-details/852/kol-shimshon
https://www.newjerseyrestareas.com/nj-njtp-new-jersey-turnpike-clara-barton-service-plaza-southbound-mile-marker-5/

Baltimore Minyan Factory https://www.mercaz.center/
Agudah of Greensprings https://aigreenspring.com/
Agudah of Baltimore https://www.agudah.com/
https://www.shopsevenmilemarket.com/
https://quarryws.com/shop/?category=kosher&srsltid=AfmBOoq8vIPk2wYq5OvvuCucaqwSi-VNqbeQytHw9KV45WSJdCIo5vtC
https://www.quarrylakeatgreenspring.com/

Rumpelnacht: https://www.thejewishstar.com/stories/rumpelnacht-after-pesach-chaos-in-reverse,13429 (Note that the opinion of the author may not match the opinion of the publication.)

Zeidy's Pizza https://web.curbngo.com/menu/1091/?key=r0Nydm9eIcKB02Ee%2BRQkLQ%3D%3D-1091
https://amazingsavings.com/locations/
https://www.monseytrails.com/
https://kosherbagelhole.com/
https://www.bklynlibrary.org/
https://chinaglatt.com/

From the first Brooklyn section of the TR
https://www.kosherhutofbrooklynmenu.com/
https://www.boropark24.com/news/boro-park-snapshot-hoffy-s-electronics/
https://theicecreamhouse.com/
Brooklyn Bus Map https://www.mta.info/document/12041
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Re: TR: Pesach to the US with family
« Reply #44 on: May 15, 2025, 07:40:08 AM »
I love every segment of this, despite there not being any pictures. I think even more than the actual information, there is something so alluring about the perspectives that mevinyavin infuses into every step of the narrative. It sounds like it would be a really fun and unique experience to be one of your children.

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Re: TR: Pesach to the US with family
« Reply #45 on: May 15, 2025, 08:16:17 AM »
It sounds like it would be a really fun and unique experience to be one of your children.
I'll tell my children that this was your psak, and therefore, they are mechuyev to be having fun and unique experiences on a regular basis.
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Re: TR: Pesach to the US with family
« Reply #46 on: May 15, 2025, 08:34:52 AM »
the dark and scary part which I know is coming. Baltimore.  :-\

Did it live up to your expectations?
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Re: TR: Pesach to the US with family
« Reply #47 on: May 15, 2025, 11:15:02 AM »
I love every segment of this, despite there not being any pictures. I think even more than the actual information, there is something so alluring about the perspectives that mevinyavin infuses into every step of the narrative.
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Re: TR: Pesach to the US with family
« Reply #48 on: May 15, 2025, 12:41:27 PM »
the dark and scary part which I know is coming. Baltimore.  :-\

Did it live up to your expectations?

I’ve lived in the NY Metro area my whole life and have actually never been to Baltimore. So thanks for your segment on that. I have an elderly friend there that I know I should visit with my kids, but have never been able to bring myself to give up a Sunday to do it.

But your entire TR reminds me of a conversation I once had with this very Israeli kid working the counter at his family's shawarma place in Bayit Vagan. He had been to the U.S. once and managed to hit every major tourist attraction—meanwhile, I haven’t been to most of them myself.
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Re: TR: Pesach to the US with family
« Reply #49 on: May 15, 2025, 02:43:55 PM »
I’ve lived in the NY Metro area my whole life and have actually never been to Baltimore.
Me, too, and neither had I until this trip. Frankly, there wasn't anyone to visit there until I acquired relatives with my marriage and then later when my sister moved there, but at that point we were in EY.

I have an elderly friend there that I know I should visit with my kids, but have never been able to bring myself to give up a Sunday to do it.
In my head growing up, it felt like much further away than it ended up being. And if you go entirely by train it may be even more painless.

But your entire TR reminds me of a conversation I once had with this very Israeli kid working the counter at his family's shawarma place in Bayit Vagan. He had been to the U.S. once and managed to hit every major tourist attraction—meanwhile, I haven’t been to most of them myself.
Well, we hit none of the tourist attractions.  8) We came to visit family, and when discussing the potential with my wife (when we knew it would need to be short because of the kids' school needs), we decided that we would catch who we can and not be worried about missing people or how short we would have with them. Facts are we made lots of people very happy, so mission accomplished. We didn't get everybody but we sure got a lot of people.
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Re: TR: Pesach to the US with family
« Reply #50 on: May 16, 2025, 12:18:00 AM »
I’ve lived in the NY Metro area my whole life and have actually never been to Baltimore.
Same here. I went to Baltimore for the first time recently, for a wedding. And then I got a ticket in the mail for going over the speed limit in Delaware...

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Re: TR: Pesach to the US with family
« Reply #51 on: May 16, 2025, 01:11:47 AM »
And then I got a ticket in the mail for going over the speed limit in Delaware...

Those rest area cameras are killer, especially when you spend a total of 15 minutes in the state.
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Re: TR: Pesach to the US with family
« Reply #52 on: May 16, 2025, 01:16:30 AM »
Those rest area cameras are killer, especially when you spend a total of 15 minutes in the state.
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Re: TR: Pesach to the US with family
« Reply #53 on: May 16, 2025, 09:08:56 AM »
Same here. I went to Baltimore for the first time recently, for a wedding. And then I got a ticket in the mail for going over the speed limit in Delaware...

Ouch. The one time I was caught by a camera was on the way to a wedding in Brooklyn (somewhere I rarely go these days - was over a year since I was there last) but I never got a ticket in the mail. That camera was right off the exit from the highway  >:(
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Re: TR: Pesach to the US with family
« Reply #54 on: May 19, 2025, 08:16:53 AM »
But your entire TR reminds me of a conversation I once had with this very Israeli kid working the counter at his family's shawarma place in Bayit Vagan. He had been to the U.S. once and managed to hit every major tourist attraction—meanwhile, I haven’t been to most of them myself.
That's just classic local syndrome.
How many New Yorker's have been to the statue of liberty? or up to the top of 1WTC? or the intrepid? or central park? or one of the dozens and dozens of world famous tourist attractions in NYC?

I was once in London for pesach, and took my chavrusa from the Mir to the Tower of London, Buckingham Place etc... and it was his first time going to these places and my like 4th.

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Re: TR: Pesach to the US D22/23
« Reply #55 on: May 19, 2025, 10:15:19 AM »
The Return Trip

Morning of the return flight, I davened early as usual. When I got back, I discovered that the portable scale wasn't working. Again, my parents had to work, so I walked to and from Evergreen, where I picked up breakfast and another scale (the handheld type), a washing cup, and fresh Reisman bars (baked after Pesach) for a davening treat for the kids (and the Mommy). It was about twenty minutes each way.

Back at home, packing was slowly completed. The kids had all fallen in love with the "Smushmallows" my mother had gotten for the Baltimore/Florida cousins, so she got a few more for the house in Monsey - and of course, the kids wanted to take them back to EY... We took a garbage suitcase from my sister and packed them, making for a suitcase that even 4YO could take. Without really shopping for much, we somehow managed to take up all of the weight and volume of the matzos, I guess with the Amazing Savings stuff and some clothes we had Amazon'd to Monsey instead of taking from EY, so we had to move things around and open extra zippers in order to fit everything. I decided not to worry - worst case, an overweight fee, right? Vacations are for spending... I did think everything had worked out, though.

The kids spent the day playing outside.

We took hot dogs, rolls and three containers of chicken/rice from Krispy (whatever it's called) and french fries for the flight. We also had some nosh/pretzels/munchables. As noted, I assume the worst when it comes to airline food and hope to be pleasantly surprised. (Spoiler: we weren't.)

My wife's brother had generously volunteered to drive us to Newark. He arrived to pick us up at 7PM, but we waited until my father got home from work (~7:20) to say goodbye to him. Drive was about an hour; no traffic. EWR security by the Emirates desk was very quick - there were three stations working and maybe two people ahead of us on line. Once again, we got an extremely pleasant lady who was very patient with our pace. DW noted that when the scale was empty, it ready anywhere from -2kg to -5kg. Somehow, my suitcases were never more than 20kg. We checked in everything - five suitcases and two carryons, keeping only the stroller, backpacks and one Amazing Savings small carryon and some shopping bags with the food.

The agent asked to see our ETAs (tickets were on US passports, as noted), and we showed her our IL Teudot Maavars. When she noted that two of them were not spelled the same way (long story that I MUST have posted somewhere on the forum), she called over a supervisor. After the consultation, she told us that she was processing the tickets on the Teudot Maavars and not the passports (so that the system would accept it), and we should show those when we get to the gate (but the US passports for security).

EWR security lines were not that long - there were maybe ten ahead of us and two stations working - and again, the agent patiently worked through our passports as quick as I was able to provide them opened to the picture page. (Maybe I'm so used to otherwise that it continues to be a chiddush.) Same with the detectors. ("Little man, you can keep yo shoes on." "So why is my Totty taking his off?" "Thassa good question. You smart, kid!") The lady seemed surprised that I was actually returning the bins to the stack without being asked... We got to the gate in record time (yeah, yeah, for our family, anyway) - before 10PM. We gave the kids food and they settled down to eat, and later, to read their books. DW settled the baby. Someone organized a minyan for Maariv but before I could join, I was paged by the agents - they wanted to take my stroller in advance. (One by one, they did this to everybody.) BH there was another Maariv later on. As noted in the relevant thread, there were kosher sandwiches from Radish being sold in one of the stores near the gate area, but we didn't need them. (I did get myself two Gatorades, for a tiny bit less than they cost in Yerushalayim.)

The flight was delayed about forty minutes. We got three of the bulkhead seats (three of the four middle seats in Row 38) and the three seats immediately behind them. This allowed me to hang my jacket on the back of the seat in front of me, so 1. I didn't have to wear it and 2. the screen was covered. A lady from elsewhere asked my wife if she could have the bassinet, but the staff thought she was asking for herself and brought one sized for our 14MO instead. (We had not gotten a bassinet on the way in. They didn't offer, and we assumed this was because he was too old, but he actually was small enough for their biggest size.) The lady did get her bassinet, though, because the lady sitting in the last seat didn't mind it hanging in front of her.

Flight was more heavily skewed towards frum Yidden this time - maybe half the plane, probably because it was fairly soon after Pesach. Tons of infants but not that many large families.

As noted in the appropriate thread, the airline food was a waste, but we had prepared so we were fine. They didn't have the staff taking pictures this time, and the toys were not as exciting as the way in, but so it goes.

BH the kids mostly slept.

I timed davening Shacharis to arrive at Shemoneh Esrei at the latest possible time that netz could have occurred (beginning at the latest possible time for atifas tallis). As always seems to be the case, one person davening causes a cascade effect as other people notice you davening and hastily daven themselves. I hung the negel vasser cup on my toddler's bassinet (which was right near restrooms), and many people borrowed it (as was probably required being that most of them had slept, though this is arguable).

From takeoff, it was immediately apparent that they were taking a quicker flight path, and indeed, the flight somehow landed a half-hour EARLY. This took what would have been a fifty minute layover (regular schedule) or a ten minute layover (it left forty minutes late) to a 80 minute layover. Took us at least ten minutes to get off the plane, and even though the A6 flight had an EK codeshare (and so, EK had given us boarding passes already), we only arrived at the line to the gate about 40 minutes before scheduled departure (short line for customs officer and LONG line for security, relative to ATH). Barring the gate entrance, a lone lady was checking for ETAs and taking her jolly time. We must have stood in that hallway for 20 minutes. (Yes, people were being turned away.) Still, by that time, we had already seen the flight board and we knew our flight was delayed a half hour (this ended up being an hour). I expected trouble from the lady regarding the spelling, but she just shrugged and said, "Oh, that's the same name," and let us through. (She ran out of official approved stickers in the middle and had to shuffle over to get more - as I said, taking her time.)

The plane wasn't even in the gate yet. This meant that we had free entertainment! The kids were able to stand by the window trying to identify our pieces of luggage, which were sitting there in plain sight on the tarmac. Later, they watched the Aegean plane roll in to the gate. I got to daven Minchah with a minyan (something I was SURE would be impossible with a 50-minute layover). I then sat across from an old Israeli, who told me (in Ivrit) with tears in his eyes, "I've lived in Israel for 50 years, and I NEVER saw a matzav like what we have today. So we all have different shitot hachayim. Why do we have to fight each other like this!? Don't we have enough to worry about from the other nations? Is it so hard to understand that other Jews have principles and to let them live? Everyone contributes what they can, and that should be enough!" He later told me that he was a descendant of a sibling of the Aruch Hashulchan (if I followed him correctly).

As noted, flight took off about an hour late. Again, they gave us an entire row. This time, 4YO was unhappy with the arrangements but refused to tell us what version would actually make him happy, and sat at my wife's feet glowering at everybody. Even the stewardesses were unable to convince him to move. Eventually, we convinced him to sit and he promptly fell asleep. Flight was uneventful and quick.

Customs was very quick thanks to those automatic machines (though 9YO wouldn't process and had to be done manually). We did not get stopped at the green line, and we exited the airport around 10PM. As we were managine the luggage fine (and definitely for the experience of it), we took the train home. (I had everyone's Rav Kavs and had filled them before we left.) Appropriately, it was train 777.

From there, we got on a 39 bus, suitcases and all, and enjoyed the Thursday night ambiance of Geulah on our way home. The city had welcomed us by redoing the pathway next to our building while we were away (the kids immediately had to go and see), but in case we felt a bit TOO welcome, they had also completely demolished the local playground. (This has since been rebuilt.) We had the leftover chicken and french fries for supper. Except for me, no one got to sleep until 2AM (and no one got to school the next day - but like usual, 6YO was her perky self from 6AM and of course she went to Gan).

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Re: TR: Pesach to the US D22/23
« Reply #56 on: May 19, 2025, 11:35:45 AM »
As we were managine the luggage fine (and definitely for the experience of it), we took the train home. (I had everyone's Rav Kavs and had filled them before we left.) Appropriately, it was train 777.

From there, we got on a 39 bus, suitcases and all

Good for you! On our first (and last) family trip with one toddler and three suitcases, my wife insisted that we book a taxi from the airport so I dutifully obliged. Upon arrival the cab was nowhere to be found (my assumption is that he found a better fare), so I convinced her to take the train, which wasn't terrible. But we did get a taxi from Navon to our accommodations in Bayit Vagan. Needless to say, we took a cab on the return trip as it was the summer and we didn't want to get all sweated up before the long flight.

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Re: TR: Pesach to the US D22/23
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The agent asked to see our ETAs (tickets were on US passports, as noted), and we showed her our IL Teudot Maavars.
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When she noted that two of them were not spelled the same way (long story that I MUST have posted somewhere on the forum), she called over a supervisor.
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Re: TR: Pesach to the US D22/23
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IL Travel document for those who do not qualify for an IL Passport. Functions the same way except not always acceptable as a full-blown passport to other countries.
New olim do not immediately qualify for a passport, as there was a history of people gaining IL citizenship via right of return then using the IL passport to move to a different country (where their original citizenship was unacceptable but their IL citizenship lets them in) and never show in IL again.

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