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Law school exams for yeshiva guys 101, by henche
1. Read the story. 
2. Write down all the taynas that anyone might have, and what taynas the other guy might have back, and what the halacha probably is. 
3. Hit "submit"
4. Get a job.
5. Never see your family again!!!!!!!

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Re: Law School
« Reply #165 on: December 18, 2013, 11:30:44 AM »
Thanks for sharing your experience...
Only half joking, is the bolded quote above seen as a virtue in law?

Yes, we're trusted with information worth millions on a daily basis. And biglaw practice is not my cousiin vinny practice; the amounts we deal with are too large to risk on shenanigans. I've only seen real honesty

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Re: Law School
« Reply #166 on: December 18, 2013, 11:54:03 AM »

Yes, we're trusted with information worth millions on a daily basis. And biglaw practice is not my cousiin vinny practice; the amounts we deal with are too large to risk on shenanigans. I've only seen real honesty

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Re: Law School
« Reply #167 on: December 18, 2013, 12:02:24 PM »

Lawyer have a reputation for integrity and honesty. NOT!

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Re: Law School
« Reply #168 on: December 18, 2013, 12:10:02 PM »
Lawyer have a reputation for integrity and honesty. NOT!

 :)

Sure. Lawyers also have a reputatuion for going to court and defending criminals. Maybe like 5  people in my firm do that. Most of us don't go to court at all. Most of us spend most of our time either drafting or reviewing 100+ page contracts.

So you see the public perception of lawyers is about as accurate as the public perception of how easy it is to get a legal job...

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Re: Law School
« Reply #169 on: December 18, 2013, 12:16:34 PM »
Sure. Lawyers also have a reputatuion for going to court and defending criminals. Maybe like 5  people in my firm do that. Most of us don't go to court at all. Most of us spend most of our time either drafting or reviewing 100+ page contracts.

So you see the public perception of lawyers is about as accurate as the public perception of how easy it is to get a legal job...
I recently helped a friend of mine get $200,000 back which was stolen from him, with the council of a lawyer.

He told me he always thought lawyers don't have a purpose, until now. And that pretty much sums up society's view on lawyers, hate them until they save your @ss. And when you are charged for a crime you didn't do those crim defense lawyers aren't too bad either.
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Re: Law School
« Reply #170 on: December 18, 2013, 12:20:00 PM »

 And when you are charged for a crime you didn't do those crim defense lawyers aren't too bad either.

Yeah, but not as awesome as they are when you're charged with a crime you DID do.

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Re: Law School
« Reply #171 on: December 18, 2013, 12:24:13 PM »
People are quick to blame lawyers but not the people who hired them.

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Re: Law School
« Reply #172 on: December 18, 2013, 12:26:48 PM »
Yeah, but not as awesome as they are when you're charged with a crime you DID do.
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Re: Law School
« Reply #173 on: December 18, 2013, 10:56:46 PM »
Sorry for the long post   ::)
Top 5 sounds about right. I know Penn more than other schools and a majority of the class is earning160K first year out.

Don’t know what u mean by top schools, but after the top 5, no "majority of the class" is making 160k/getting NY biglaw.

@Hirshthg 80 what don't find a job?

And the judiciary is also talking about making law school 2 years. Well at least justice Kennedy was last I spoke with him :P

To the above comments and some others:
1. According to an article in the New York State Bar Association (September addition) there are a number of law schools who have been sued and lost for misrepresenting their alumni's job rates. In addition to those which have won there have been a larger number of law suits brought against other schools, which did not succeed, many of which on grounds of technicalities.  Therefore for this conversation's sake, I propose that there is a difference of opinion when it comes to these numbers: P.

2. According to the above article which took the most recent data from the top 20 law schools in the country and showed the states for each school; less than 10 percent of graduating lawyers end up finding a law job with $65K+ within the first 9 months of leaving law school, and less than 20 percent find a law job with $35k+ within the first 9 months of leaving law school. This would seem at odds to the opinions listed above.

3. While a small number of top students in top schools do land $100k+ jobs there are a good number of people who graduate top in top schools and do not land a high paying legal position. You still need to calculate the value of your risk putting that $150k into an industry which as a decent probability of never being able to pay you back.

4. Justice Kennedy is a politician and he needs to say what he needs to say, however he still needs to do what he needs to do, which is to keep the hundreds of thousands of licensed lawyers who doesn't have a clue as to what they are doing out of the courtrooms.

5. To all of you legal reputation commentators: first of all in light of the above you may see who a fellow who owes more than he will ever make back in a salary will take a chance at a shady hand... Second people hate lawyers because they dislike people who talk another language which they can't understand. Third lawyers are subject to stricter personal obligations and ethics that (almost) any other industry, therefore hearing that an attorney's conduct is held "unethical" is hardly the same standard as anyone else's. Forth about the criminal justice system, if you had any experience or understanding at the corruption and injustice of the prosecution system you would not be so quick to condemn a lawyer for representing a "criminal" aka alleged crime.

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Re: Law School
« Reply #174 on: December 19, 2013, 12:22:26 AM »
Sorry for the long post   ::)
To the above comments and some others:
1. According to an article in the New York State Bar Association (September addition) there are a number of law schools who have been sued and lost for misrepresenting their alumni's job rates. In addition to those which have won there have been a larger number of law suits brought against other schools, which did not succeed, many of which on grounds of technicalities.  Therefore for this conversation's sake, I propose that there is a difference of opinion when it comes to these numbers: P.

2. According to the above article which took the most recent data from the top 20 law schools in the country and showed the states for each school; less than 10 percent of graduating lawyers end up finding a law job with $65K+ within the first 9 months of leaving law school, and less than 20 percent find a law job with $35k+ within the first 9 months of leaving law school. This would seem at odds to the opinions listed above.

3. While a small number of top students in top schools do land $100k+ jobs there are a good number of people who graduate top in top schools and do not land a high paying legal position. You still need to calculate the value of your risk putting that $150k into an industry which as a decent probability of never being able to pay you back.

4. Justice Kennedy is a politician and he needs to say what he needs to say, however he still needs to do what he needs to do, which is to keep the hundreds of thousands of licensed lawyers who doesn't have a clue as to what they are doing out of the courtrooms.

5. To all of you legal reputation commentators: first of all in light of the above you may see who a fellow who owes more than he will ever make back in a salary will take a chance at a shady hand... Second people hate lawyers because they dislike people who talk another language which they can't understand. Third lawyers are subject to stricter personal obligations and ethics that (almost) any other industry, therefore hearing that an attorney's conduct is held "unethical" is hardly the same standard as anyone else's. Forth about the criminal justice system, if you had any experience or understanding at the corruption and injustice of the prosecution system you would not be so quick to condemn a lawyer for representing a "criminal" aka alleged crime.

1. Which schools were sued, afaik all of them were thrown out of court. And link?
2. link?
3. That's what everyone here was saying.
4. Supreme court justices don't have to play politician they have that job for life.
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Re: Law School
« Reply #175 on: December 19, 2013, 12:26:43 AM »
HMMMMM wondering who would be dumb enough to sue a school full of lawyers. (Not in terms of winning or losing, but they can drag out a case for a decade.)

and +1 on SCOTUS. Supreme Court Justices are positions for life. That way they can make decisions without fear of losing their job.

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« Reply #176 on: December 19, 2013, 12:27:22 AM »
I also thought all cases were chucked in response to the schools motion to dismiss.
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« Reply #177 on: December 19, 2013, 01:57:00 AM »
Most of us spend most of our time either drafting or reviewing 100+ page contracts.



Many of which had a big part in causing the financial crisis. Just saying…

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Re: Law School
« Reply #178 on: December 19, 2013, 02:04:58 AM »
Many of which had a big part in causing the financial crisis. Just saying…
Many of which built modern day economics into what it is today and without, capitalism never would have succeeded.
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Re: Law School
« Reply #179 on: December 19, 2013, 02:09:59 AM »

I think recruiters know that, and I think that in some instances, a religious Jew actually has a better chance.


I am sorry but I think that is a big misconception. Who really knows (recruiters/screeners/partners would never admit it) but I have never met a frum partner who agreed with that statement. I have done extensive research on the Yarmulka question and have consistently been told that it will definitely hurt you. How much? That depends on which market you are in (NY<DC<Pittsburgh) school you are in (HLS<GW<BLS) and your grades.

There is always that "one guy" who got the job because of his Yarmulka (I suppose he doesn't really exist) but I think it is fair to say that you get the job despite your Yarmulka.

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