Law School

[henche]

Harvard is practically a BMG affiliate these days.

[jj1000]

Harvard is practically a BMG affiliate these days.

Ya, I hear their degrees are worthless.

[CS91]

If you do well on the LSAT, apply to most of the T-14 schools. The extra $1,000 that you may end up spending on application fees is worth not being limited. It can also sometimes be easier to get into non-NY schools because the demand for NYU and Columbia is very high. Speaking from personal experience, I'm in law school now. And FYI, NY isn't the only city that has Jewish communities...

[lunatic]

Harvard is practically a BMG affiliate these days.

I think henche is jealous

[jj1000]

If you do well on the LSAT, apply to most of the T-14 schools. The extra $1,000 that you may end up spending on application fees is worth not being limited. It can also sometimes be easier to get into non-NY schools because the demand for NYU and Columbia is very high. Speaking from personal experience, I'm in law school now. And FYI, NY isn't the only city that has Jewish communities...

Agree 100%. But I don't think the conversation even starts until you take the lsat...

[CS91]

Agree 100%. But I don't think the conversation even starts until you take the lsat...

+1000. I expected us to agree. After all, we went to the same school 

[heimishbrisker]

Harvard is practically a BMG affiliate these days.

Confirmed

[Aj3042]

Harvard is practically a BMG affiliate these days.

Totally not true. You have to do exceptionally well on the LSAT and then a minority of those gets in. For every one you hear went from BMG to Harvard there are a few who tried but didn't get in.

[michael]

Confirmed

Brisker, my not frum law school professor (same school as JJ and CS91) told me that he considers Brisk as the Harvard of all yeshivas.

[shiframeir]

If you arent getting into columbia/NYU, and you plan on wearing a yarmulke to interviews/your job, i recommend not going to any law school without a huge scholarship; the odds are heavily against you making your investment (plus loss of 3 years work oppty) back. Unless your family is rich and you want to waste their money to make people think you are smart (or foolish).

[CS91]

Brisker, my not frum law school professor (same school as JJ and CS91) told me that he considers Brisk as the Harvard of all yeshivas.

So you know who I am but I don't know who you are? 

[michael]

So you know who I am but I don't know who you are? 

No - I only know which school JJ went to. Feel free to introduce yourself via PM though. 

[Aaaron]

To answer the OP's questions, I would definitely consider broadening your search to other cities.  Regarding others' observations that you must go to a top law school for it to be worth it, that's BS.

Disclaimer:  I went to MD Law, which was in the 30s at the time, but I never had big law aspirations.  And I do alright.

[CS91]

No - I only know which school JJ went to. Feel free to introduce yourself via PM though. 

Sent you one Happy to know I'm not the only one on this site at the law school when I should really be studying.

[Freddie]

If you arent getting into columbia/NYU, and you plan on wearing a yarmulke to interviews/your job, i recommend not going to any law school without a huge scholarship; the odds are heavily against you making your investment (plus loss of 3 years work oppty) back. Unless your family is rich and you want to waste their money to make people think you are smart (or foolish).

That's ridiculous. Take off your yarmulka to succeed in the workplace? I must vociferously object lest some innocent person be discouraged by your post. If you are talented and motivated, you will succeed. Your Yiddishkeit is not an obstacle; it's an asset.

[Aj3042]

That's ridiculous. Take off your yarmulka to succeed in the workplace? I must vociferously object lest some innocent person be discouraged by your post. If you are talented and motivated, you will succeed. Your Yiddishkeit is not an obstacle; it's an asset.

A separate discussion but it's actually common practice among frum lawyers, especially partners, and it's not without a good basis (though I'm not saying yes or no, just pouring out it has its merits).

[Freddie]

A separate discussion but it's actually common practice among frum lawyers, especially partners, and it's not without a good basis (though I'm not saying yes or no, just pouring out it has its merits).

I repeat my vociferous objection. I cannot stand by idly when such a comments are posted.

[PlatinumGuy]

That's ridiculous. Take off your yarmulka to succeed in the workplace? I must vociferously object lest some innocent person be discouraged by your post. If you are talented and motivated, you will succeed. Your Yiddishkeit is not an obstacle; it's an asset.

Success in life is achieved by being able to attract peoples attention and trust. The only well paid lawyers are those who carry clients. Doing well is a fiction that only works in school and few narrow technical fields, where the maximum upside earning potential is extremely limited (actuaries, etc).

You can argue that all parnassa is from hashem, but then Talent/motivation are irrelevant, and it the question is only if taking off Yramulka is permitted and required for hishtadlus.

There are many locales and fields where Jews are respected and a yarmulka is an asset (Asia), there are many locales where it is an absolute liability (Saudi Arabia), and there are many place like the US where it's up for debate.

[casualchurner]

A separate discussion but it's actually common practice among frum lawyers, especially partners, and it's not without a good basis (though I'm not saying yes or no, just pouring out it has its merits).

I'm always against justifying actions based on the number of people doing it. For all you know they could all be wrong.
What is the good basis?

[Aj3042]

I'm always against justifying actions based on the number of people doing it. For all you know they could all be wrong.
What is the good basis?

It's indoors, they feel it's necessary for parnassah (definitely can't make a brachah/eat or drink though). IIRC there's a tshuva from Rav Moshe about it.