Law School

[chinagel]

what are the options for s/o looking for an aba accredited law school online

[CS91]

Are there much better, amazing results from "Fish" ($2300 + 4 days/week classes + HW)
vs. 7 Sage online course ($180)

Not about the money, but more about the work and 4 days/week commitment -- Anyone seen major proven 10-12 point increase results? Any advice?

10-12 point increase from first diagnostic that was done pre-studying, or after studying already?

[CS1]

10-12 point increase from first diagnostic that was done pre-studying, or after studying already?

After independent studying and taking LSATS without a course.

(i.e. mid-160s on first LSAT) would you recommend taking 2 months off of work to take Fish's 8 week $2300 course in Washington Heights? (4 days/week communte from Brooklyn)

[jj1000]

After independent studying and taking LSATS without a course.

(i.e. mid-160s on first LSAT) would you recommend taking 2 months off of work to take Fish's 8 week $2300 course in Washington Heights? (4 days/week communte from Brooklyn)

One of the biggest advantages of his course is how much he pushes you. i.e. Would you really be studying 8+ hours a day without him?

[CS91]

After independent studying and taking LSATS without a course.

(i.e. mid-160s on first LSAT) would you recommend taking 2 months off of work to take Fish's 8 week $2300 course in Washington Heights? (4 days/week communte from Brooklyn)

I don't think a 10-12 point increase but I do think that there would be one. Also really depends on what the strong/weak sections were. If the weaknesses are in Logical Reasoning or Logic Games, then definitely worth it IMO because there are systems/methods to be learned. If the person is already really strong with those sections and the weakness is in reading comprehension, then a course won't do as much.

[CS1]

One of the biggest advantages of his course is how much he pushes you. i.e. Would you really be studying 8+ hours a day without him?

Yes, in this case, a lot of motivation -- however 7sage.com has 4-6 hrs a day of work, as well.

Any specific results of LSAT increases from Fish over the other high-ranked programs?

(Main concern is the 4-Day Manhattan commute from Brooklyn)

[CS91]

Yes, in this case, a lot of motivation -- however 7sage.com has 4-6 hrs a day of work, as well.

Any specific results of LSAT increases from Fish over the other high-ranked programs?

(Main concern is the 4-Day Manhattan commute from Brooklyn)

People say Fish is king but I know many people who experienced 15-20 point increases from diagnostic (myself included) with some of the other popular programs. I don't know anything about sage though.

[jj1000]

I don't think a 10-12 point increase but I do think that there would be one. Also really depends on what the strong/weak sections were. If the weaknesses are in Logical Reasoning or Logic Games, then definitely worth it IMO because there are systems/methods to be learned. If the person is already really strong with those sections and the weakness is in reading comprehension, then a course won't do as much.

Agreed.

Yes, in this case, a lot of motivation -- however 7sage.com has 4-6 hrs a day of work, as well.

Any specific results of LSAT increases from Fish over the other high-ranked programs?

(Main concern is the 4-Day Manhattan commute from Brooklyn)

I have no doubt Fisch's results are better than any program as a general rule, but every student is different. I once heard 1/3 of his students score in he 170's no other program can even touch that number.

People say Fish is king but I know many people who experienced 15-20 point increases from diagnostic (myself included) with some of the other popular programs. I don't know anything about sage though.

I went up 25+ points from diagnostic lol.

[CS91]

I have no doubt Fisch's results are better than any program as a general rule, but every student is different. I once heard 1/3 of his students score in he 170's no other program can even touch that number.

Ya but he has a smaller sample size and could be that his students are usually of the smarter variety. Most of the people that are going to him (at least the people that I know) are really smart and are targeting the top schools in the country.

I went up 25+ points from diagnostic lol.

Maybe you had a really bad diagnostic 

[jj1000]

Ya but he has a smaller sample size and could be that his students are usually of the smarter variety. Most of the people that are going to him (at least the people that I know) are really smart and are targeting the top schools in the country.

No doubt, but those numbers are still amazing, assuming this guy wants the same and will work hard, he may be able to do the same.

@CS1 4-6 hour for the December test may not be enough at this point ftr.

Maybe you had a really bad diagnostic 

I think I maybe finished 1 game... So ya...

[CS1]

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@CS1 4-6 hour for the December test may not be enough at this point ...
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True, but after a mid 160s LSAT score, the 4-6 hrs per day may be fine for a 170+ on the next test.

To commute to Fisch and study well, he'd probably have to stop working in Oct & Nov.

The 1/3 gets in the 170's is a great motivator. If there's a 75% + change in that, then this is worth doing full time. (Married and paying Brooklyn rent)
The goal here is to try to get into Northwestern; ideally with a scholarship.

[henche]

what are the options for s/o looking for an aba accredited law school online

I don't know if that exists, but I'm sure very few of is graduates would get jobs, if it does exist

[Cheesecake]

I don't know if that exists, but I'm sure very few of is graduates would get jobs, if it does exist

Would work for someone who has a job waiting for him in the family law firm.

[henche]

Would work for someone who has a job waiting for him in the family law firm.

yes

[jj1000]

True, but after a mid 160s LSAT score, the 4-6 hrs per day may be fine for a 170+ on the next test.

To commute to Fisch and study well, he'd probably have to stop working in Oct & Nov.

The 1/3 gets in the 170's is a great motivator. If there's a 75% + change in that, then this is worth doing full time. (Married and paying Brooklyn rent)
The goal here is to try to get into Northwestern; ideally with a scholarship.

Maybe it is enough. Maybe not. The best practice is taking dozens of simulated tests and hundreds of simulated sections with timers. And some with no timers just trying to get every question correct.

The thing is improving to the 170's is the hardest part and while someome can get in the 160's with not studying intensely it has no indication they can do the same to get in the 170's. But I'm not saying he can't.

What is he working as now? If it's not an important job I don't see how it can be worth it to work now regardless if he knows he wants law school he should be putting his blood sweat and tears and whatever the cost to get the best score possible. Why go for a 170? Go for a 180. Striving high is a great motivator, and can help a lot.

And remember even with all the practice tests there is nothing like test day. Nerves are something that is hard to practice for. I say next to someone that was getting a 178-180 on all his recent simulated practice tests. He cancelled his score on test day because he set read his watch wrong for how much time he had left and bombed an entire section...

Also how much have you looked into Northwestern scholars who gets them? what GPA/lsat/work experience they have to have?

[chinagel]

I don't know if that exists, but I'm sure very few of is graduates would get jobs, if it does exist

i saw an article from a few years back that william mitchell was available online. wondering what their job placement is like and if there are any other ones that opened online since.

[AJK]

The LSAT is the single most important test a lawyer will ever take in his career.

Spend the extra money and go with fish.

[henche]

i saw an article from a few years back that william mitchell was available online. wondering what their job placement is like and if there are any other ones that opened online since.

of you don't have a family job lined up, and are not planning to hang a single, it's a very bad bet

[hvaces42]

of you don't have a family job lined up, and are not planning to hang a single, it's a very bad bet

In NY you can waive in with one year of law school and 5 years of work experience. The rules are very specific. If the family firm is the option its a way around full law school.

[chinagel]

of you don't have a family job lined up, and are not planning to hang a single, it's a very bad bet

whats that