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Law school exams for yeshiva guys 101, by henche
1. Read the story. 
2. Write down all the taynas that anyone might have, and what taynas the other guy might have back, and what the halacha probably is. 
3. Hit "submit"
4. Get a job.
5. Never see your family again!!!!!!!

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Re: Law School
« Reply #1695 on: January 05, 2017, 02:06:42 PM »
For yeshiva guys, a 175+/4.0 really is not enough, because the 4.0 means nothing and all they have to go on is a 180.  So the rest of the package (personal statement, resume, letters) actually matters.  I've seen some very high BTL LSATs significantly under-perform in admissions. 

I encourage people to hire a consultant, although I have no idea if that actually helps.  Maybe I should become a BTL law school admissions consultant.
Do you think my CPA/masters/work experience will alleviate some of that or is the BTL a killer?

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Re: Law School
« Reply #1696 on: January 05, 2017, 02:08:09 PM »
Do you think my CPA/masters/work experience will alleviate some of that or is the BTL a killer?
It all depends on the story you craft in your PS.

i.e. what brought you from rabinical school, to accounting, to law. And don't say you wanted more money to feed the fam :P
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Re: Law School
« Reply #1697 on: January 05, 2017, 02:25:15 PM »
Do you think my CPA/masters/work experience will alleviate some of that or is the BTL a killer?

Will definitely help.

But see:
It all depends on the story you craft in your PS.


Feel free to post your PS here for us to make fun of, btw.  People do it on top law schools, I think.

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Re: Law School
« Reply #1698 on: January 05, 2017, 02:34:18 PM »
Feel free to post your PS here for us to make fun of, btw.  People do it on top law schools, I think.
My PS worked well for me.

Harvard emailed me and wanted me I said no fwiw :P

Oh also I did early admissions somewhere else ;)
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Re: Law School
« Reply #1699 on: January 05, 2017, 02:46:01 PM »
My PS worked well for me.

Harvard emailed me and wanted me I said no fwiw :P

Oh also I did early admissions somewhere else ;)


Good deal.

I meant eph should

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Re: Law School
« Reply #1700 on: January 05, 2017, 02:50:21 PM »

Good deal.

I meant eph should
How embarrassing.

Agreed, if he's comfortable.
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Re: Law School
« Reply #1701 on: January 05, 2017, 02:58:31 PM »

Good deal.

I meant eph should
lol I'll have to pass but thanks for the offer:)

I definitely tried to construct a narrative explaining my path to law school as I know that's probably their first question when they see my info.

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Re: Law School
« Reply #1702 on: January 05, 2017, 03:00:23 PM »
lol I'll have to pass but thanks for the offer:)

I definitely tried to construct a narrative explaining my path to law school as I know that's probably their first question when they see my info.
You just turned down what clients pay hundreds of dollars an hour for...

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Re: Law School
« Reply #1703 on: January 05, 2017, 03:48:34 PM »
You just turned down what clients pay hundreds of dollars an hour for...

But I understand not wanting to post personal information online.

just leave some parts blank. We can all benefit. (The recommendation letters are great to read, too.)
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Re: Law School
« Reply #1704 on: January 06, 2017, 10:27:33 AM »
Do you think my CPA/masters/work experience will alleviate some of that or is the BTL a killer?

If you didn't start working on your application materials then don't bother applying this cycle. It's already pretty late in the application process and a lot of schools have already given out scholarship $, especially the good ones. With your great score, you'll be in a much better position if you apply early next cycle, lots of schools will give you great, some even full offers. One great option would be to do ED Northwestern. You automatically get $150,000 scholarship if accepted and I think you'd get it. Also great location for frum guy.
I see a lot of yeshiva guys do this: they get a really good score on the LSAT but rush the app process and have no idea what they're doing. Hire a consultant, work hard on your apps, and apply early in Sep for 2018. I know it's tough to hear this but that's the more prudent choice. You'll be saving a lot of $ in the processs. I mean, you could apply this cycle, see if any schools make you a great offer but I'd just wait.

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Re: Law School
« Reply #1705 on: January 06, 2017, 11:36:32 AM »
If you didn't start working on your application materials then don't bother applying this cycle. It's already pretty late in the application process and a lot of schools have already given out scholarship $, especially the good ones. With your great score, you'll be in a much better position if you apply early next cycle, lots of schools will give you great, some even full offers. One great option would be to do ED Northwestern. You automatically get $150,000 scholarship if accepted and I think you'd get it. Also great location for frum guy.
I see a lot of yeshiva guys do this: they get a really good score on the LSAT but rush the app process and have no idea what they're doing. Hire a consultant, work hard on your apps, and apply early in Sep for 2018. I know it's tough to hear this but that's the more prudent choice. You'll be saving a lot of $ in the processs. I mean, you could apply this cycle, see if any schools make you a great offer but I'd just wait.
I agree with it being a good idea to wait, but I don't agree on ED for Northwestern. His score should get him into better schools. Maybe not on a full ride, but personally I'm of the opinion that generally, one should go to the best school possible even if it means taking out loans. Chances of getting a big law job out of NYU/Columbia are better than Northwestern, and with a big law job, he'll have no problem paying back his loans.

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Re: Law School
« Reply #1706 on: January 06, 2017, 11:42:23 AM »
I agree with it being a good idea to wait, but I don't agree on ED for Northwestern. His score should get him into better schools. Maybe not on a full ride, but personally I'm of the opinion that generally, one should go to the best school possible even if it means taking out loans. Chances of getting a big law job out of NYU/Columbia are better than Northwestern, and with a big law job, he'll have no problem paying back his loans.

Good point, agree but if someone is really debt averse then Northwestern ED is a terrific option. The school has great employment numbers, and personally I'd go with Northwestern 150,000 over NYU sticker. Columbia is a different story, it's in a different league. But that guy should wait, especially if he didn't start working on apps. Rushing everything would really hurt him.

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Re: Law School
« Reply #1707 on: January 06, 2017, 12:03:04 PM »
good points about waiting, i always thought the second most important stat on your app was the date. maybe use the time to take the LSAT again after some test practice and get a 180...

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Re: Law School
« Reply #1708 on: January 06, 2017, 12:20:42 PM »
Ironically, I did apply ED to northwestern with my previous score but, thankfully, was held.

I've followed this cycle pretty closely and don't think I'm too late but I guess I'll find out. If I underperform my numbers, I will absolutely sit out this cycle and reapply next year.

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Re: Law School
« Reply #1709 on: January 06, 2017, 12:30:49 PM »
Also, the Sept LSAT was supposedly very hard and the top scores are way down. The data for December isn't out yet but the consensus is that was difficult as well. So schools will, hopefully, be competing harder for the higher scores.