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Law school exams for yeshiva guys 101, by henche
1. Read the story. 
2. Write down all the taynas that anyone might have, and what taynas the other guy might have back, and what the halacha probably is. 
3. Hit "submit"
4. Get a job.
5. Never see your family again!!!!!!!

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Re: Law School
« Reply #140 on: December 17, 2013, 10:11:25 PM »
Most attorney you ask now a days will tell you to find the cheapest law school and plan on doing your law studying in the field.
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Re: Law School
« Reply #141 on: December 17, 2013, 10:16:37 PM »
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So much wrong with that statement. For starters it's known that you don't learn how to practice as an attorney in law school.
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Re: Law School
« Reply #142 on: December 17, 2013, 10:17:44 PM »
Most attorney you ask now a days will tell you to find the cheapest law school and plan on doing your law studying in the field.

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Re: Law School
« Reply #143 on: December 17, 2013, 10:18:37 PM »
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Re: Law School
« Reply #144 on: December 17, 2013, 10:20:58 PM »


As Henche will tell you anyone going to law school, must spend time at http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/index.php

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Re: Law School
« Reply #145 on: December 17, 2013, 10:33:18 PM »
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So much wrong with that statement. For starters it's known that you don't learn how to practice as an attorney in law school.

There is a lot of talk about redoing the law school system to include internships and continuing to lengthen the bar exam to including being able to actually know how to practise instead of just knowing theory.

So get under the wire before they start adding even more stuff to the school mandates and the tests...

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Re: Law School
« Reply #146 on: December 17, 2013, 10:34:43 PM »
There is a lot of talk
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You can add a lot of talk of making law school 2 years, so better wait till it's just 2 years.
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Re: Law School
« Reply #147 on: December 17, 2013, 10:38:57 PM »
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You can add a lot of talk of making law school 2 years, so better wait till it's just 2 years.
Nothing will change. Law schools are a cash cow. Simple as that. No one is gonna kill the cow
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Re: Law School
« Reply #148 on: December 17, 2013, 10:44:45 PM »
Wow... good debate guys.

I am wondering if its worth all the debt....

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Re: Law School
« Reply #149 on: December 17, 2013, 10:47:45 PM »
Wow... good debate guys.

I am wondering if its worth all the debt....
Exactly why it depends on the school, from an investment standpoint.

Top schools the majority of the class is making $160,000 first year out. That can justify $200,000 debt. But a lower school the average student doesn't even find a job as a lawyer and has $100,000 debt.

See earlier in this thread a link to school employment and salary stats.
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Re: Law School
« Reply #150 on: December 17, 2013, 10:52:00 PM »
Nothing will change. Law schools are a cash cow. Simple as that. No one is gonna kill the cow
FTFY

You can add a lot of talk of making law school 2 years, so better wait till it's just 2 years.

The public is talking about the 2 year law school,  and they are also talking about making it cheaper, however the administration  and the judiciary is talking about making it better. Although they are not saying this better takes longer and costs more. You are right they are a cash cow, and that cow is going to get feed better as time goes on.

As for nothing changing 5 additional "parts" for the bar exam are drafted and pilot tested as we speak. Maybe nothing will change however that is looking less and less likely.

Exactly why it depends on the school, from an investment standpoint.

Top schools the majority of the class is making $160,000 first year out. That can justify $200,000 debt. But a lower school the average student doesn't even find a job as a lawyer and has $100,000 debt.

See earlier in this thread a link to school employment and salary stats.

1 out of 5 students on average end up practicing law for a living. Even your top tier schools average at around 80 not finding a job in the first year for part pay positions. For the vast majority the answer to Dave321's question is, no.

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Re: Law School
« Reply #151 on: December 17, 2013, 11:12:35 PM »
Ok thanks all for the advice... ill keep doing some research.

maybe ill just get an MBA. I can get one for about 35k lol....

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Re: Law School
« Reply #152 on: December 17, 2013, 11:13:32 PM »
@Hirshthg 80 what don't find a job?

And the judiciary is also talking about making law school 2 years. Well at least justice Kennedy was last I spoke with him :P
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Re: Law School
« Reply #153 on: December 17, 2013, 11:20:32 PM »

@Hirshthg 80 what don't find a job?

And the judiciary is also talking about making law school 2 years. Well at least justice Kennedy was last I spoke with him :P

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« Reply #154 on: December 17, 2013, 11:24:19 PM »
It all depends on WHY someone wants to go.

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Re: Law School
« Reply #155 on: December 17, 2013, 11:57:46 PM »

Top schools the majority of the class is making $160,000 first year out. That can justify $200,000 debt. But a lower school the average student doesn't even find a job as a lawyer and has $100,000 debt.
 

dont know what u mean by top schools, but after the top 5, no "majority of the class" is making 160k/getting NY biglaw, and if you plan to wear a yarmulke to interviews, u better be law review/top grades. I've interviewed several ortho jews at my firm, and its pretty impossible.

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Re: Law School
« Reply #156 on: December 18, 2013, 12:21:19 AM »
dont know what u mean by top schools, but after the top 5, no "majority of the class" is making 160k/getting NY biglaw, and if you plan to wear a yarmulke to interviews, u better be law review/top grades. I've interviewed several ortho jews at my firm, and its pretty impossible.
Top 5 sounds about right. I know Penn more than other schools and a majority of the class is earning160K first year out.

And interviews depend on the firm and person. I know a ddf member who has a yalmuka and beard and got a job at a top 5 firm. So everything is relative.

The bottom line if you love it do it. If not there may be better way to make money working that many hours a week.
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Re: Law School
« Reply #157 on: December 18, 2013, 08:29:45 AM »
Dave,

If you want to take the patent bar, you need an undergraduate degree in one of the subjects listed in the link http://patbar.com/uspto-patent-bar-exam-requirements.shtml

About the cost of law school and whether its worth it: I always tell people to spend some time studying for the LSAT. If you find that you are naturally good at it, and ultimately do well on the LSAT, the numbers game may change somewhat. Of course, you may want to take a professional course before actually taking the exam, but I'm recommending to just buy a book and play around a bit first.

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Re: Law School
« Reply #158 on: December 18, 2013, 08:43:16 AM »
It's a gamble. For some it works out for others it doesn't. You won't know for sure, so consider the possibility of failure and determine whether you can handle it financially.

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Re: Law School
« Reply #159 on: December 18, 2013, 10:25:36 AM »
dont know what u mean by top schools, but after the top 5, no "majority of the class" is making 160k/getting NY biglaw, and if you plan to wear a yarmulke to interviews, u better be law review/top grades. I've interviewed several ortho jews at my firm, and its pretty impossible.

I'd say "majority of the class" who wants biglaw is getting it probably all the way through top 14 schools.

But I'm more intrigued by your yarmuke comment. My friends and I have wondered about this issue, but aren't quite sure how to study it. We certainly know many yarlmuke wearers at elite firms, but also know some yarlmuke wearing outliers not getting the jobs they would expect based on their school and grades.

I'm quite curious what your experience with that is