Author Topic: Tal Law annuled . . . Now what? (Read 17360 times)

good sam · « **on:** February 23, 2012, 03:20:54 PM »

The Israeli High Court decided to annul the Tal Law which exempted yeshiva students from serving in the army. So now what? You can be sure that tens of thousands of Yeshiva students are not about to start serving in the IDF. So what happens now?

Your thoughts?

Side incomer · « **Reply #1 on:** February 23, 2012, 03:30:22 PM »

Quote from: good sam on February 23, 2012, 03:20:54 PM

The Israeli High Court decided to annul the Tal Law which exempted yeshiva students from serving in the army. So now what? You can be sure that tens of thousands of Yeshiva students are not about to start serving in the IDF. So what happens now?

Your thoughts?

Another round of protests. Amanuel style +++
Believe me, they don't need us there at all....

PlatinumGuy · « **Reply #2 on:** February 23, 2012, 03:32:58 PM »

Sure. 70,000 Yeshiva Guys are joining the IDF in on June 1, 2012.

YudiG · « **Reply #3 on:** February 23, 2012, 03:38:36 PM »

nothing will happen. yeshiva guys will never be forced into the army...just another stunt in the israeli game of right wing vs left wing...ho hum...it'll keep the newspapers busy for a few months

asherbarkin · « **Reply #4 on:** February 23, 2012, 03:39:04 PM »

ma hu ish milchoma af ata...

PlatinumGuy · « **Reply #5 on:** February 23, 2012, 03:43:38 PM »

The result will probably be less funding for Yeshivos and possibly other Charedi funds.

YudiG · « **Reply #6 on:** February 23, 2012, 03:46:50 PM »

Quote from: asherbarkin on February 23, 2012, 03:39:04 PM

ma hu ish milchoma af ata...

...hakeh es shinav....

Quote from: PlatinumGuy on February 23, 2012, 03:43:38 PM

The result will probably be less funding for Yeshivos and possibly other Charedi funds.

doubt Bibu would try that as his coalition would fall and an election would be called something he has bent over backwards to avoid despite many close encounters this knesset session....the religious MK's are also pretty good about getting/ensuring funding....

HelpMe · « **Reply #7 on:** February 23, 2012, 03:47:20 PM »

Quote from: good sam on February 23, 2012, 03:20:54 PM

The Israeli High Court decided to annul the Tal Law which exempted yeshiva students from serving in the army. So now what? You can be sure that tens of thousands of Yeshiva students are not about to start serving in the IDF. So what happens now?

Your thoughts?

What is the penalty for not serving? Enforce the penalty and move on.

gozalim · « **Reply #8 on:** February 23, 2012, 03:53:33 PM »

something says we're about to see a spike in mental illness, like in the old days...

PlatinumGuy · « **Reply #9 on:** February 23, 2012, 04:00:11 PM »

Quote from: HelpMe on February 23, 2012, 03:47:20 PM

What is the penalty for not serving? Enforce the penalty and move on.

Imprisoning 70,000 people is not going to work.
Rav Shach simply said we will not live here if there is a military obligation. Think about every ultra-orthdox person leaving Israel - 800,000 people according to some.
If they try to block the emigration; think about hundreds of thousands of religious Jews protesting at the Israeli Embassy in NY, calling to abolish the Jewish State and allow us to leave the country. Or a hunger strike by over 10% of the population, calling to allow emigration.

In other words; not going to happen.

mercaz1 · « **Reply #10 on:** February 23, 2012, 04:05:38 PM »

the problem is that no country on earth would take these people if they decided to leave israel since no one but israel would ever give them the funding and welfare that they need to survive so a mass emigration is an empty threat.
imo the army doesnt want the frum anyways since they will then have nothing to bash us with in the media

Dan · « **Reply #11 on:** February 23, 2012, 04:07:49 PM »

Quote from: mercaz1 on February 23, 2012, 04:05:38 PM

since they will then have nothing to bash us with in the media

No worries, there will never be a lack of that.

PlatinumGuy · « **Reply #12 on:** February 23, 2012, 04:08:20 PM »

Quote from: mercaz1 on February 23, 2012, 04:05:38 PM

the problem is that no country on earth would take these people if they decided to leave israel since no one but israel would ever give them the funding and welfare that they need to survive so a mass emigration is an empty threat.
imo the army doesnt want the frum anyways since they will then have nothing to bash us with in the media

Most countries would like a bunch of western Jews to immigrate, even the US might be coerced into taking them. Welfare etc. is all secondary to this, so we can give that up.

HelpMe · « **Reply #13 on:** February 23, 2012, 04:10:52 PM »

Quote from: PlatinumGuy on February 23, 2012, 04:00:11 PM

Imprisoning 70,000 people is not going to work.
Rav Shach simply said we will not live here if there is a military obligation. Think about every ultra-orthdox person leaving Israel - 800,000 people according to some.
If they try to block the emigration; think about hundreds of thousands of religious Jews protesting at the Israeli Embassy in NY, calling to abolish the Jewish State and allow us to leave the country. Or a hunger strike by over 10% of the population, calling to allow emigration.

In other words; not going to happen.

Throw a few in jail and usually that does the trick.

Most here were not even born when Vietnam was going on so I understand your viewpoint. Try and understand the viewpoint of the parents whose sons and daughters gave their lives so you still have the right to express your viewpoint.

mercaz1 · « **Reply #14 on:** February 23, 2012, 04:19:37 PM »

countries may want western jews but only those that work or who they think can help the general economy or help society not what they consider parasites who just take money but dont give back

PlatinumGuy · « **Reply #15 on:** February 23, 2012, 04:21:29 PM »

Quote from: HelpMe on February 23, 2012, 04:10:52 PM

Throw a few in jail and usually that does the trick.

Most here were not even born when Vietnam was going on so I understand your viewpoint. Try and understand the viewpoint of the parents whose sons and daughters gave their lives so you still have the right to express your viewpoint.

The Jewish state cannot survive without international legitimacy, and vocal opposition to it's very existence by a large faction of it's 'nation' will quickly lead to its demise, hence they will never risk this happening.

The reason locking people up won't help (as opposed to Vietnam) is because this is about religion. Ultra-Orthodox Judaism does not support the existence of State Of Israel if it requires males who would otherwise be studying the Torah to serve in the military.

'Throwing a few people in jail' will not bend a huge community to forsake their elementary values.

Quote from: mercaz1 on February 23, 2012, 04:19:37 PM

countries may want western jews but only those that work or who they think can help the general economy or help society not what they consider parasites who just take money but dont give back

In terms of overall investment attraction, it is definitely a good deal for many countries.

meshugener · « **Reply #16 on:** February 23, 2012, 04:24:01 PM »

They'll say you can fulfill the draft by serving in shairot azrachi which already have a lot of frum guys recruited

asherbarkin · « **Reply #17 on:** February 23, 2012, 04:47:34 PM »

they should make army yeshivos where ranks are given out like smichos and people can do their service there. you miss roll call before shacharis you get court martialed

PlatinumGuy · « **Reply #18 on:** February 23, 2012, 04:55:52 PM »

What ever the case is, it was idiotic of the Supreme Court to get involved in this.

YudiG · « **Reply #19 on:** February 23, 2012, 05:03:51 PM »

a shame herzl never signed off on the deal for uganda...we could found the united colony of chareidim and solve the issue once and for all.

wealthy kuwaiti families are doing something similar on the edge of africa quietly as there country is majority foreign nationals who work for them...