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Re: Model Mom Calls Her Religion a Cult
« Reply #45 on: March 03, 2012, 11:10:18 PM »
Can you not control yourself?
Really. REALLY? Looking at the top of the back of their wigs are really a big prob according to you!
Again I am not one of them. But yes according to their rabbis they should not sit behind a women. And btw the torah says do not stare at a woman. It doesn't say certain body parts yes and certain no. So I guess you decide.

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« Reply #46 on: March 03, 2012, 11:15:13 PM »
Again I am not one of them. But yes according to their rabbis they should not sit behind a women. And btw the torah says do not stare at a woman. It doesn't say certain body parts yes and certain no. So I guess you decide.

Your right. It should on a person to person basis. And if they can't control themselves and Need to look up from their Tehilim to look at the back of their head then they have many other issues that need to be dealt with.

But the discussion I feel that needs to be addressed. Is how can this be done w/o embarrassing or degrading the women that may be vulnerable?
Let's look at these two cases and the many more and see what needs to be changed to protect the others that might want to "escape"? How can they be saved?

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Re: Model Mom Calls Her Religion a Cult
« Reply #47 on: March 03, 2012, 11:19:53 PM »
Your right. It should on a person to person basis. And if they can't control themselves and Need to look up from their Tehilim to look at the back of their head then they have many other issues that need to be dealt with.
It is an issue if someone is naturally attracted to women? The problem is if they don't look at the women ever, then you have a real problem. Don't place a stumbling block in front of someone, like tell them not to look at women and put a women in front of them... (This is the logic I assume of women in the back.)
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Re: Model Mom Calls Her Religion a Cult
« Reply #48 on: March 03, 2012, 11:20:40 PM »
Your right. It should on a person to person basis. And if they can't control themselves and Need to look up from their Tehilim to look at the back of their head then they have many other issues that need to be dealt with.

But the discussion I feel that needs to be addressed. Is how can this be done w/o embarrassing or degrading the women that may be vulnerable?
Let's look at these two cases and the many more and see what needs to be changed to protect the others that might want to "escape"? How can they be saved?
I agree that there are many issues in the hasidic community that needs to be addressed. I just did not like how some other comments made it sound as if hasidim treat women as second class.

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« Reply #49 on: March 03, 2012, 11:29:29 PM »
I agree that there are many issues in the hasidic community that needs to be addressed. I just did not like how some other comments made it sound as if hasidim treat women as second class.


I would love to take a tour into the deep heart if these community's and see what really goes on.
Bec whenever im in BP or Willi. I always see women out shopping strolling around their kids in their bugaboos.

Second class citizens I highly doubt that.
But it is a very private community which did help these two women's cause as know one really knows.

I think some of the major news channels should go in one day to see what goes on. Like the sour Korean?? I think it was them. That went into the yeshiva in bnei brak ponivitz. Sorry on my phone can't find the link.  ( or is that a bad idea?)

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Re: Model Mom Calls Her Religion a Cult
« Reply #50 on: March 03, 2012, 11:31:25 PM »
I agree that there are many issues in the hasidic community that needs to be addressed. I just did not like how some other comments made it sound as if hasidim treat women as second class.
When you hear things that women should sit at the back of the bus, should not wear pants or move to the side when walking past a man what conclusion do expect one to come too? 
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« Reply #51 on: March 03, 2012, 11:34:16 PM »
It is an issue if someone is naturally attracted to women? The problem is if they don't look at the women ever, then you have a real problem. Don't place a stumbling block in front of someone, like tell them not to look at women and put a women in front of them... (This is the logic I assume of women in the back.)


I think it would be a bigger stumbling block to have the women walk right by you. In between all the men. In stead of sitting down right away.
Unless they still allow them to punch their own ticket and come on through the back of the bus?
Then I would stand corrected. But AFAR they stopped that.

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Re: Model Mom Calls Her Religion a Cult
« Reply #52 on: March 03, 2012, 11:35:48 PM »
When you hear things that women should sit at the back of the bus, should not wear pants or move to the side when walking past a man what conclusion do expect one to come too?
Cant say about moving to the side when a man walks by. But on the others they are following their tradition and rabbis. And the men and women are proud to do so.

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Re: Model Mom Calls Her Religion a Cult
« Reply #53 on: March 03, 2012, 11:37:24 PM »
When you hear things that women should sit at the back of the bus, should not wear pants or move to the side when walking past a man what conclusion do expect one to come too?

with all do respect you are only hearing a partial idea about a few random subjects and putting it all together to make an assumption.
those are three seperate things and putting them together to make an assumption is incorrect.

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« Reply #54 on: March 03, 2012, 11:37:34 PM »
When you hear things that women should sit at the back of the bus, should not wear pants or move to the side when walking past a man what conclusion do expect one to come too?

Pants are another issue.
The Torah says dont dress like a man. A lot of our traditions are from times that we cannot understand. A lot of our outfits come from hundreds of years ago.
Years ago a women only wore dresses and there was no such thing as a women wearing pants.
It also has to do with modesty as pants deff show more of a figure then most skirts and dresses. ( that cover the knees ;) of course)

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Re: Model Mom Calls Her Religion a Cult
« Reply #55 on: March 03, 2012, 11:37:59 PM »
Unless they still allow them to punch their own ticket and come on through the back of the bus?
Was it really done this way?
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Re: Model Mom Calls Her Religion a Cult
« Reply #56 on: March 03, 2012, 11:38:08 PM »

I would love to take a tour into the deep heart if these community's and see what really goes on.
Bec whenever im in BP or Willi. I always see women out shopping strolling around their kids in their bugaboos.

Second class citizens I highly doubt that.
But it is a very private community which did help these two women's cause as know one really knows.

I think some of the major news channels should go in one day to see what goes on. Like the sour Korean?? I think it was them. That went into the yeshiva in bnei brak ponivitz. Sorry on my phone can't find the link.  ( or is that a bad idea?)
I saw the South Korean video and it has been done before in brooklyn. And they found most people were happy and there were things that people said can be changed. But that's how it is like in every religious sect in the world.

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Re: Model Mom Calls Her Religion a Cult
« Reply #57 on: March 03, 2012, 11:38:36 PM »
Cant say about moving to the side when a man walks by. But on the others they are following their tradition and rabbis. And the men and women are proud to do so.

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Re: Re: Model Mom Calls Her Religion a Cult
« Reply #58 on: March 03, 2012, 11:38:54 PM »
Cant say about moving to the side when a man walks by. But on the others they are following their tradition and rabbis. And the men and women are proud to do so.

Some people are proud. Some don't mind either way and just accept it.  Some people hate it.
And I think most people fall in the middle category IMHO.
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Re: Model Mom Calls Her Religion a Cult
« Reply #59 on: March 03, 2012, 11:38:58 PM »