Model Mom Calls Her Religion a Cult

[Steven]

not sure what this ladys story is but I think she has a great point
http://blogs.forward.com/sisterhood-blog/152955/on-shopping-around-your-ex-frum-story/#IDComment317251126#ixzz1pInWhVgF

[HelpMe]

not sure what this ladys story is but I think she has a great point
http://blogs.forward.com/sisterhood-blog/152955/on-shopping-around-your-ex-frum-story/#IDComment317251126#ixzz1pInWhVgF

When someone gets divorced is there a special court they have to go to?

[meshugener]

Yes.

[HelpMe]

Yes.

Why? Can't they just file for divorce like anyone else?

[AJK]

Why? Can't they just file for divorce like anyone else?

I feel like you know the answer, and your question only serves to ruffle feathers.

[MarkS]

Why? Can't they just file for divorce like anyone else?

Any time there is a need for a court case a Jew is supposed to go to a Jewish Court (or Bais Din) as opposed to going through the US court system. That way, jewish law can be upheld. Not as a way to undermine US law in any way, but rather allowing us to agree to a decision that is based on Halacha.

In the event that the Bais Din gives permission to go to a regular US court - that may be done.
Because there are many Halachos involving divorce, (giving a jewish divorce has certain requirements and specifics to 'annul' the marriage) going to a US court would not work.

The same way you need to have a Rabbi officiate at a wedding and can't simply have a clerk at City Hall marry you according to Halacha, a divorce needs do be done by Rabbi's.

[HelpMe]

Any time there is a need for a court case a Jew is supposed to go to a Jewish Court (or Bais Din) as opposed to going through the US court system. That way, jewish law can be upheld. Not as a way to undermine US law in any way, but rather allowing us to agree to a decision that is based on Halacha.

In the event that the Bais Din gives permission to go to a regular US court - that may be done.
Because there are many Halachos involving divorce, (giving a jewish divorce has certain requirements and specifics to 'annul' the marriage) going to a US court would not work.

The same way you need to have a Rabbi officiate at a wedding and can't simply have a clerk at City Hall marry you according to Halacha, a divorce needs do be done by Rabbi's.

Thank you for the answer! Is a decision made in a Jewish court binging in a US court? I am asking in reference to custody of children.

[MarkS]

Thank you for the answer! Is a decision made in a Jewish court binging in a US court? I am asking in reference to custody of children.

Yes I believe so.

[Side incomer]

Thank you for the answer! Is a decision made in a Jewish court binging in a US court? I am asking in reference to custody of children.

Most Jewish courts have official authority from the US court, and their rule would be backed by the US court, since both sides agreed to go to their court, and accept their ruling.
I an event, where one side doesn't want to go / accept the Jewish ruling, it is aloud according to Jewish law to go direct to the regular court system.

[HelpMe]

Most Jewish courts have official authority from the US court, and their rule would be backed by the US court, since both sides agreed to go to their court, and accept their ruling.
I an event, where one side doesn't want to go / accept the Jewish ruling, it is aloud according to Jewish law to go direct to the regular court system.

So if a mother thought she would lose custody of her children from a Jewish court she could instead file in a US court? Wouldn’t this be a violation of Jewish law?

[Dan]

not sure what this ladys story is but I think she has a great point
http://blogs.forward.com/sisterhood-blog/152955/on-shopping-around-your-ex-frum-story/#IDComment317251126#ixzz1pInWhVgF

The point is fine, but these women didn't go to the press for nothing.
One went for the money and one went looking for help in a custody battle.

I think the media will get pretty tired of it if every person who leaves orthodoxy tried to get media attention for it.

[shach]

but these women didn't go to the press for nothing.

that was the obvious

The point is fine

+1
 just a cheap and incorrect way of profiting and incorrect venue and way of trying to win a custody battle(in the eyes of the blogger)

[HelpMe]

just a cheap and incorrect way of profiting and incorrect venue and way of trying to win a custody battle.

I would expect any mother to do what she can (legally) to keep custody of her children. She would not be much of a mother if she did anything less.

[shach]

I would expect any mother to do what she can (legally) to keep custody of her children. She would not be much of a mother if she did anything less.

true. yet as one would not cross moral and ethical lines for the above(profiting and custody) the blogger is pointing out these lines have been crossed in its literal and religious meaning

[Dan]

I would expect any mother to do what she can (legally) to keep custody of her children. She would not be much of a mother if she did anything less.

I agree.  Hard to fault a mother for campaigning to keep her kids regardless of religious opinions on the matter.
I do fault her for stooping to lying to achieve those means.

[HelpMe]

true. yet as one would not cross moral and ethical lines for the above(profiting and custody) the blogger is pointing out these lines have been crossed in its literal and religious meaning

Do you think Pearlperry’s motive is profit or the custody of her children?

[Dan]

Do you think Pearlperry’s motive is profit or the custody of her children?

Presumably he means profit regarding DF and custody for PP.

[shach]

Presumably he means profit regarding DF and custody for PP.

+1

[Steven]

Presumably he means profit regarding DF and custody for PP.

I personally doubt PP motive is just custody of her kids. I am not saying she doesnt love them, but it seems to me that she wants to drag them down with her

[smurf]

I personally doubt PP motive is just custody of her kids. I am not saying she doesnt love them, but it seems to me that she wants to drag them down with her

She's also trying to advance her "career"