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Re: Model Mom Calls Her Religion a Cult
« Reply #200 on: March 26, 2012, 07:09:58 PM »
I personally doubt PP motive is just custody of her kids. I am not saying she doesnt love them, but it seems to me that she wants to drag them down with her
get at her community and husband for a sweet revenge, yet unfortunately not keeping her offspring in mind(not necessarily purposely or consciously harming/dragging her kids down)

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Re: Model Mom Calls Her Religion a Cult
« Reply #201 on: March 28, 2012, 08:18:43 PM »
I dont know if this was mentioned anywhere in this thread
http://therealperryreich.com/?p=55
it gave me a little different perspective on the issue. Very sad story

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Re: Model Mom Calls Her Religion a Cult
« Reply #202 on: April 09, 2012, 10:58:13 AM »

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Re: Model Mom Calls Her Religion a Cult
« Reply #203 on: April 09, 2012, 11:01:38 AM »
And... The reality show

let me guess, this isn't either motivated by $$$  ::)

ETA: posted that before reading the article and what do you know
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Shauli Grossman, 24, also stars in the show and said he joined to help educate Orthodox teens.

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Re: Model Mom Calls Her Religion a Cult
« Reply #204 on: April 09, 2012, 11:08:38 AM »
let me guess, this isn't either motivated by $$$  ::)
Only damages PP's credibility IMHO.  If anyone thought that her whole fight was just for the kids they know better now.
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Re: Model Mom Calls Her Religion a Cult
« Reply #205 on: April 09, 2012, 11:11:30 AM »
I found this pretty funny.

The show features an aspiring model, her toy-boy lover and one Jewish man who is furious that his ultra-orthodox parents deprived him of bacon for the first 26 years of his life.
'When I had the first bite, I felt angry,' the 26-year-old Luzer Twersky said. 'I felt how could my parents keep this from me?'


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Re: Model Mom Calls Her Religion a Cult
« Reply #206 on: April 09, 2012, 12:18:09 PM »
That guy, Luzer Twersky is an old freak. I remember a few yars ago he made a splash question on judaism which should explain why he's against religious jews: how come its true (according to judaism teaching) that God is present everywhere? Is he also present in toilet? The toilet is not a holy place, so it doesn't make any sense that God who is the holiest of the holy shoul be in such a place...
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Re: Model Mom Calls Her Religion a Cult
« Reply #207 on: April 09, 2012, 01:26:38 PM »
That guy, Luzer Twersky is an old freak. I remember a few yars ago he made a splash question on judaism which should explain why he's against religious jews: how come its true (according to judaism teaching) that God is present everywhere? Is he also present in toilet? The toilet is not a holy place, so it doesn't make any sense that God who is the holiest of the holy shoul be in such a place...
This question is answered already by the Rambam in מורה נבוכים, and in a lot of other reshonim (see abarbanal tehilim on halel how he explains רם על כל גוים השם), and it shows that he never knew or studied the עיקרי הדת in first place.

Also, we have to keep in mind that all these people didn't leave Judaism because they had questions on Hashem. They all had issues, (read: Shauly grossman - divorced parents. Devora feldman - No parents at all (in certain sense). Eluzer Twersky - a lot of mentally ill siblings, and not to capable parents (I know them personally). Perry Reich - damaged relationship. and the list goes on and on), and these issues made them unhappy, and therefore leave their community, and while they needed to prevent themselves they found questions on hashem RCH"L.

How is the Chasem Sofer nicely mefaresh: "ולפי שהוציא עצמו מן הכלל כפר בעיקר", it doesn't say that he first had kefira question, and then he exited the klal. Rather, he first fell out of klal yisroel for his own reasons (as mentioned above), and then he had to find kefira questions.

This is the case 100% of the times.
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Re: Model Mom Calls Her Religion a Cult
« Reply #208 on: April 09, 2012, 01:39:16 PM »
As Reb Chaim used to say when a apikores went to him and said: rabbi, I have questions! And reb Chaim answerd: you dont have questions, you have 'teritzim' so you create questions to justify your answers...
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Re: Model Mom Calls Her Religion a Cult
« Reply #209 on: April 09, 2012, 01:45:17 PM »
Some leave their religion because they no longer believe in religion.
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Re: Model Mom Calls Her Religion a Cult
« Reply #210 on: April 09, 2012, 02:02:24 PM »
And those are usually content just going their own way and doing their own thing. They arent the ones who feel the need to malign their former communities in the media at every available oppurtunity.

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Re: Model Mom Calls Her Religion a Cult
« Reply #211 on: April 09, 2012, 02:50:42 PM »
And those are usually content just going their own way and doing their own thing. They arent the ones who feel the need to malign their former communities in the media at every available oppurtunity.
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Re: Model Mom Calls Her Religion a Cult
« Reply #212 on: April 09, 2012, 04:56:48 PM »
And... The reality show
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Re: Model Mom Calls Her Religion a Cult
« Reply #213 on: May 17, 2012, 11:13:44 AM »
Got reports that she led a protest yesterday in williamsburg. Anyone has details? Media was there covering the protest + a few arrests on both sides.
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Re: Model Mom Calls Her Religion a Cult
« Reply #214 on: May 17, 2012, 11:19:40 AM »
Got reports that she led a protest yesterday in williamsburg. Anyone has details? Media was there covering the protest + a few arrests on both sides.
I'm assuming you are referring to this - http://www.vosizneias.com/106457/2012/05/16/brooklyn-ny-tensions-boil-over-outside-fundraiser-for-accused-rapist-in-brooklyn-arrests-made

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Re: Model Mom Calls Her Religion a Cult
« Reply #215 on: May 17, 2012, 11:58:50 AM »
A fwd email her BF sent out yesterday in advance of the gathering:
Please help us spread this painful
blood pain, do your self a favor and
start the week with FWD this
message!In great pain we feel the
need to publicize a terrible situation
that occurred in our own
community with the hope that
something can be done to heal
a terrible wound and prevent future
tragedies from occurring.The
victim was a bright 12 year old in the
sixth grade. During class she would
ask many hashkafic questions, some
which the teachers were incapable of
responding to. The teacher turned to
the principal for guidance and
answers to the questions. The
principal summoned her to his office
and berated her for asking such
questions calling her an apikorus. He
demanded that she see a
counselor in order to stay in the
school.   With great personal
sacrifice, the parents invested
tremendous time and money in
therapy with [...]. Each session lasted
a minimum of three hours at a cost
of 150$ an hour. At one point
they were required to pay 7000$ in
advanceto the principal, to
guarantee that she remain in
therapy.  Unfortunately they trusted
both the school and Mr. [...].When
they did have questions or concerns,
they were intimidated and
threatened. At one point
Mr. [...]tookher alone on a 12 hour
trip upstate – when the
mother asked
about hilchos yichud he responded in
great anger. Rather than calming
her, he threatened to stop
treatment if she wouldn’t apologize
in writing.Finally, after two years of
embarrassment and pain at school,
the victim was switched to another
school. The new school
assignedher to a therapist.
Throughout the sessions the
therapist discovered what had
occurred with Mr. [...] over the past
few years.The law in NY State
requires that a therapist report any
abuse that happens to a child
whether or not the parents agree.
Thus it was a shock when the
parents of the victim were called
down to the police station and
informed of what happened.Those
unfamiliar with how the DA’s office
works blamed the parents for
the>>>><< charges and publicity,
yet they themselves had no control
over the process. Initially the parents
did not believe the story and the
police refused to allow the girl back
home. For three weeks the girl was
placed in another home. with time
and investigation it became clear
that the painful stories were true.
Numerous other victims have come
forward to share their stories as
well.The victim’s family wanted to
keep the story quiet in order to
preserve the dignity of the [...]
family, yet the [...]s in trying to deny
the charges has made this public
and widespread.  The defendant,
who is al pi Torah a rodef, plays the
role of a nirdaf. Who ever goes out to
support this [...] will one day find out
what means a child coming home
saying that he/she was raped by a
therapist or teacher you wont know
what time in the day is you wont
know if its day or night you will run
around the world and ask for help no
one will look at your side, dont you
get it this yiddish community is
trying to deny the truth ? Where has
this world come to?? Do you want to
see your children in pain do you want
them to have crazy dreams at night
do you want them to be suicidal?  to
cover there emotional pain? Speak
up face facet this community has
been covering this stories for many
many years, we have to put an end
to this, when Weberman put a
yiddish kind in jail yes you heard
right (its something this shkutzem
won't tell you) a yiddish bucher no
one  stood up to help him, why??
Because this rapist goy [...] covered
it because he was trying to avoid the
girl to tell the bucher of what [...]
had done to her and to many more??
WHO EVER GOES OUT TO THIS
EVENT "THIS COMING WEDNESDAY"
WONT HAVE A QUIET AND RESTFUL
LIFE "HASHEM" WONT LET YOU DENY
IT ANYMORE HE WILL GIVE YOU A
LITTLE TO FEEL! Think before you
give your money to a pervert a
"cazer" which he was well respected
by the community don't let him off
this because you will suffer for what
your doing!Just letting u all know
that I sold my store, all of u can still
go there eat the food will stay the
same I spent a lotta of money and
brain n lost a lotta sleep in to this
store please just keep it going as
always! I LOVE YOU ALL!!! One day ill
be with a smile after all this people
will see what is going on! I'm going
out to fight against the people that
fight me all those who Rated me out
to the Building Department and to
Health Department n DEP/water
Department they all will suffer n ill
fight on till the end... Don't for get
this all happened because this people
are trying to cover a story of a Raped
child!! Reboina Shelolem geb shion a
bissel far zy tzi feelen!!
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Re: Model Mom Calls Her Religion a Cult
« Reply #216 on: May 17, 2012, 12:19:10 PM »
An interesting understanding of Dini Rodef. Is it abridged in the original, or you did?
״וזה כלל גדול: שישנא אדם כל דבר שקר. וכל מה שיוסיף שנאה לדרכי השקר – יוסיף אהבה לתורה.״ - אורחות צדיקים

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Re: Model Mom Calls Her Religion a Cult
« Reply #217 on: May 17, 2012, 06:40:07 PM »
I'm assuming you are referring to this - http://www.vosizneias.com/106457/2012/05/16/brooklyn-ny-tensions-boil-over-outside-fundraiser-for-accused-rapist-in-brooklyn-arrests-made
Nobody wins in situations like this. I have no idea if this guy is innocent or guilty but everyone really needs to open their eyes.
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Re: Model Mom Calls Her Religion a Cult
« Reply #218 on: May 17, 2012, 06:44:10 PM »
Nobody wins in situations like this. I have no idea if this guy is innocent or guilty but everyone really needs to open their eyes.
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״וזה כלל גדול: שישנא אדם כל דבר שקר. וכל מה שיוסיף שנאה לדרכי השקר – יוסיף אהבה לתורה.״ - אורחות צדיקים

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