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Re: Baby dies due to bris
« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2012, 11:25:48 PM »
Does the mohel need to do the metzitza b'peh or can anyone do it?
No he does not he may be "mechabed" s/o else.  the ramba"m seems the custom is that the one who cuts "reveals"(pria) is motzetz and puts on the bandage(obviously not where there is sterile concerns)
In the past some scummy mohels have kept practicing even after knowing that they contracted herpes.  I pray this wasn't the case this time...
A:metzitza?
B: excuse my medical ignorance, is oral herpes contagious via open wounds? i did hear from mosey people that the accusations from a few years ago aren't as clear cut as they sound. can any monsey people weigh in on this?

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Re: Baby dies due to bris
« Reply #16 on: March 05, 2012, 11:26:58 PM »
The mohel might be criminally prosecuted
http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/breaking_news/brooklyn_da_looking_infants_death_controversial_bris_practice
If the mohel knew that he had herpes he ought to rot in jail for life (and even that's being lenient) IMHO.
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Re: Baby dies due to bris
« Reply #17 on: March 05, 2012, 11:28:57 PM »
A:metzitza?
B: excuse my medical ignorance, is oral herpes contagious via open wounds? i did hear from mosey people that the accusations from a few years ago aren't as clear cut as they sound. can any monsey people weigh in on this?
I mean practicing metzitza b'peh after knowing they have herpes.
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Re: Baby dies due to bris
« Reply #18 on: March 05, 2012, 11:31:07 PM »
I mean practicing metzitza b'peh after knowing they have herpes.
:'( if thats the case

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Re: Re: Baby dies due to bris
« Reply #19 on: March 05, 2012, 11:33:26 PM »
If the mohel knew that he had herpes he ought to rot in jail for life (and even that's being lenient) IMHO.
+1
Maybe I am missing something but to my very limited understanding (I have not researched the issue at all) metzizah, let alone b'peh, us not me'akev. isn't this a simple question of pikuach nefesh?
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Re: Baby dies due to bris
« Reply #20 on: March 05, 2012, 11:35:16 PM »
+1
Maybe I am missing something but to my very limited understanding (I have not researched the issue at all) metzizah, let alone b'peh, us not me'akev. isn't this a simple question of pikuach nefesh?
I don't think 1 death out of hundreds of thousands is called pikuach nefesh enough to start changing age old traditions, otherwise we also would stop fasting on fast days, etc.
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Re: Re: Baby dies due to bris
« Reply #21 on: March 05, 2012, 11:37:43 PM »
+1
Maybe I am missing something but to my very limited understanding (I have not researched the issue at all) metzizah, let alone b'peh, us not me'akev
correct, yet it is a halachic danger not to do it.
i did hear from mosey people that the accusations from a few years ago aren't as clear cut as they sound. can any monsey people weigh in on this?
i was just told by an acquaintance of the monsey mohel, that "he was acquitted back then cause he did not have the virus/same virus the baby RCH"L died from"
any one else hear of this

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Re: Baby dies due to bris
« Reply #22 on: March 06, 2012, 12:13:21 PM »
Rav Tendler has been saying for years they should do metzitzah on an upside down syringe. BD"E.

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Re: Baby dies due to bris
« Reply #23 on: March 06, 2012, 01:19:44 PM »
Rav Tendler has been saying for years they should do metzitzah on an upside down syringe. BD"E.
Rabbi tendler is not the first on this topic, and maybe he would be kind enough of fighting his fight "amongst us" rather than joining the courts on this one...

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Re: Baby dies due to bris
« Reply #24 on: March 06, 2012, 01:33:03 PM »
Rabbi tendler is not the first on this topic, and maybe he would be kind enough of fighting his fight "amongst us" rather than joining the courts on this one...
I don't know the politics nor do I care, but based on your comment it seems that Rabbi Tendler went to the courts last time this happened. If that's the case I find it hard to believe that he did that prior to even trying to speak with the major Rabbanim to hear him out. Now if his pleas fell on deaf ears and he believes that whatever modifications to metzitza are halachically adequate, and furthermore they can avoid deaths r"l, then I completely agree with him overstepping "us" and going to the courts...and I would do the same.

Interesting to see the topic addressed on the website of the New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene
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Re: Baby dies due to bris
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Re: Baby dies due to bris
« Reply #26 on: March 06, 2012, 02:41:13 PM »
I don't know the politics nor do I care, but based on your comment it seems that Rabbi Tendler went to the courts last time this happened. If that's the case I find it hard to believe that he did that prior to even trying to speak with the major Rabbanim to hear him out. Now if his pleas fell on deaf ears and he believes that whatever modifications to metzitza are halachically adequate, and furthermore they can avoid deaths r"l, then I completely agree with him overstepping "us" and going to the courts...and I would do the same.

Interesting to see the topic addressed on the website of the New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene

if he got a heter erkaot no problem. yet the outcry of the rabbonim back then didn't seem that way, hey i may be wrong too.

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Re: Baby dies due to bris
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Re: Baby dies due to bris
« Reply #28 on: March 09, 2012, 08:49:09 AM »
Just the web address gives me jitters.

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Re: Baby dies due to bris
« Reply #29 on: March 09, 2012, 01:03:41 PM »
Does the mohel need to do the metzitza b'peh or can anyone do it?
not everyone believes this is truly necessary.