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Paying guests get breakfast for free. If you are staying on points you need to be gold or diamond to get free breakfast. (source)

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Great Synagogue - Approx. 7 minute walk
Kotel around 15min walk thru the mall & arab Shuk (Only suggested when soldiers are present like friday night on the way home)
Hotel has a Shul in the basement

Hechsher: Plain Rabbanut Yerushayim (not mehadrin)
hechsherim in isreal
whatever your rabbi says you can eat, someone else's rabbi says is treif

If anyone is planing on staying at Waldorf and not eating the free breakfast (Hechsher, Early flight, etc') please PM shimino1

If you get free drinks vouchers and don't use them, I'll buy it off you for 10 shek per voucher.
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Author Topic: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem  (Read 733534 times)

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #3060 on: January 03, 2017, 01:50:08 PM »
My source in the hotel confirmed to me that the hotel is indeed for sale. In they are in talks with a couple of potential buyers.
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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #3061 on: January 03, 2017, 05:43:58 PM »
My source in the hotel confirmed to me that the hotel is indeed for sale. In they are in talks with a couple of potential buyers.

Would the buyers keep the WA brand?

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #3062 on: January 03, 2017, 05:49:50 PM »
They haven't even put pen to paper yet and you think they know whether a potential new buyer will keep it as WA? Come now.
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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #3063 on: January 03, 2017, 08:35:59 PM »
They haven't even put pen to paper yet and you think they know whether a potential new buyer will keep it as WA? Come now.

I would think that preliminary discussions would absolutely include this.  Buyers would generally know what their plans for the brand are and offers might be contingent upon either keeping the WA flag or wanting to go in another direction because either way, it affects cost structures and revenue streams.

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #3064 on: January 03, 2017, 08:40:16 PM »
why do they sell this place every few years?

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #3065 on: January 03, 2017, 08:42:15 PM »
Huh? When was the last time it was "sold"?

It was just built.

No idea if they plan on keeping the brand.
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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #3066 on: January 03, 2017, 08:46:23 PM »
Huh? When was the last time it was "sold"?

It was just built.

No idea if they plan on keeping the brand.
my bad, must be confusing it with another one.

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #3067 on: January 04, 2017, 03:29:30 PM »
All I can add is that the reason they wanna get rid of it is because of the Hilton.

The citadel paid 15MM to the Hilton to terminate contract. And it was the sweetest 15MM they paid. So I guess it won't take long for the waldorf to do the same. Then again the name "waldorf" brings a lot too.
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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #3068 on: January 04, 2017, 03:35:34 PM »
All I can add is that the reason they wanna get rid of it is because of the Hilton.

The citadel paid 15MM to the Hilton to terminate contract. And it was the sweetest 15MM they paid. So I guess it won't take long for the waldorf to do the same. Then again the name "waldorf" brings a lot too.

Care to elaborate?
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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #3069 on: January 04, 2017, 04:26:06 PM »
Care to elaborate?
im guessing all the points and sign up nights are hurting their revenue

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #3070 on: January 04, 2017, 05:25:10 PM »
Where is the cheapest place to book a week revenue?

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #3071 on: January 04, 2017, 07:00:45 PM »
All I can add is that the reason they wanna get rid of it is because of the Hilton.

The citadel paid 15MM to the Hilton to terminate contract. And it was the sweetest 15MM they paid. So I guess it won't take long for the waldorf to do the same. Then again the name "waldorf" brings a lot too.
It's probably from the the hotels that have the most booking by points.
im guessing all the points and sign up nights are hurting their revenue
I don't know their franchise agreements, are you sure that they don't get anything for them?

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #3072 on: January 04, 2017, 07:12:17 PM »
It's probably from the the hotels that have the most booking by points.I don't know their franchise agreements, are you sure that they don't get anything for them?
they do but probably not enough

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #3073 on: January 04, 2017, 07:17:56 PM »
Points hotels can't survive in Israel. Started with Sheraton....
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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #3074 on: January 04, 2017, 10:04:58 PM »
Points hotels can't survive in Israel. Started with Sheraton....

I get that they have a ton of points bookings but I wonder if they don't get also get lot of simcha or other business from people choosing to also spend their money where they can earn points.

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #3075 on: January 04, 2017, 11:58:12 PM »
It's not so much the points bookings which bother them. They very well know that during high occupancy they get reimbursed nicely. It's the Hilton overall contract which bothers them + some other factors.
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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #3076 on: January 05, 2017, 02:05:52 PM »
But do the hotels really "do better" after going solo?  Is the David Citadel thriving?  Wonder how Hilton Eilat is/will be doing?

Under normal market conditions, it would probably be a detrimental move.  However, the Israeli market is pretty small and there's minimal tourism to the neighboring countries where possible.  Plus all those organizations and companies that provide free vacations to their workers (nearly everyone in defense, major companies, teachers, etc.) - they'll keep making the bookings, whether it's called Waldorf Astoria or Jerusalem's Best Inn.

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #3077 on: January 06, 2017, 04:07:41 PM »
What is the latest info regarding using a free night from someone else here?

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #3078 on: January 06, 2017, 05:15:51 PM »
But do the hotels really "do better" after going solo?  Is the David Citadel thriving?  Wonder how Hilton Eilat is/will be doing?

Under normal market conditions, it would probably be a detrimental move.  However, the Israeli market is pretty small and there's minimal tourism to the neighboring countries where possible.  Plus all those organizations and companies that provide free vacations to their workers (nearly everyone in defense, major companies, teachers, etc.) - they'll keep making the bookings, whether it's called Waldorf Astoria or Jerusalem's Best Inn.

I don't know.  It seems like wealthy Hareidi(ish) Americans are their target market (it was 90% that when I was there).  The question is will these people choose this hotel if they aren't at least getting points?  I'm planning to do my son's Bar Mitzvah party there and wouldn't spend that kind of money at a hotel in Israel except that I know I'll at least be getting a ton of points from the Shabbos catering expenses...although I am a DDFer and I guess a normal person probably wouldn't care...

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #3079 on: January 07, 2017, 07:15:40 PM »
I don't know.  It seems like wealthy Hareidi(ish) Americans are their target market (it was 90% that when I was there).  The question is will these people choose this hotel if they aren't at least getting points?  I'm planning to do my son's Bar Mitzvah party there and wouldn't spend that kind of money at a hotel in Israel except that I know I'll at least be getting a ton of points from the Shabbos catering expenses...although I am a DDFer and I guess a normal person probably wouldn't care...

i dont understand this so much. aren't you pricing in the points earned into the cost of the overall expense.

to simplify. if waldorf costs $2000 for the party and doing it in a shul costs $1000 you better be getting $1000 worth of points(subjective to how you value them of course) from the waldorf for doing it there.