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Great Synagogue - Approx. 7 minute walk
Kotel around 15min walk thru the mall & arab Shuk (Only suggested when soldiers are present like friday night on the way home)
Hotel has a Shul in the basement

Hechsher: Plain Rabbanut Yerushayim (not mehadrin)
hechsherim in isreal
whatever your rabbi says you can eat, someone else's rabbi says is treif

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Author Topic: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem  (Read 641608 times)

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4095 on: June 25, 2018, 04:36:00 PM »
 And issue by meat that no mashgiach tmidi.
I as well was there and asked for mashgiach and I heard her say in Hebrew thinking I didn't understand that they didn't know if he came yet and that was at 9am . When he came about 45 min later I asked about the kashrus and I got the everything is good , I asked him what products they use and i guess he thought I was an  ignorant American not someone who lives here and has a clue  to  the types of kashrus here. He told me everything is good when I pressed him for which hashgacha they use he said don't worry it's all mehadrin I asked for specifics and when he gave them to me I told him in Hebrew that some of hasgachas they use are definitely not mehadrin and he said if I don't like it don't eat .

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4096 on: June 25, 2018, 04:43:44 PM »
And issue by meat that no mashgiach tmidi.
I as well was there and asked for mashgiach and I heard her say in Hebrew thinking I didn't understand that they didn't know if he came yet and that was at 9am . When he came about 45 min later I asked about the kashrus and I got the everything is good , I asked him what products they use and i guess he thought I was an  ignorant American not someone who lives here and has a clue  to  the types of kashrus here. He told me everything is good when I pressed him for which hashgacha they use he said don't worry it's all mehadrin I asked for specifics and when he gave them to me I told him in Hebrew that some of hasgachas they use are definitely not mehadrin and he said if I don't like it don't eat .

This is exactly the attitude which has been mentioned a few times in this thread as to why it is not so simple to rely on speaking with the mashgiach.
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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4097 on: June 25, 2018, 04:45:11 PM »
This is exactly the attitude which has been mentioned a few times in this thread as to why it is not so simple to rely on speaking with the mashgiach.
Not so typical to see the Mashgiach self promoting himself. He couldn't get someone else to promote him? Maybe there's a reason for that? Not that I like to cast suspicions for no reason...

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4098 on: June 25, 2018, 05:33:45 PM »
I worked for the guy once Kashring hotels for Pesach.
I also know his boss who is an authority on Kashrus and told me there was no problem with the Waldorf.

I guess the argument will go on and on....

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4099 on: June 25, 2018, 05:35:12 PM »
I have been told by numerous kashrus pros (Maybe @moko  can give some insight) that this is not reliable as a practical matter for a few reasons. In a commercial setting flames often go out or are turned off by habit and you can almost be guaranteed that the regular staff will turn it back on if needed. Also it is highly unrealistic that every single flame in the kitchen is left on. What would happen when they need a burner which was not left on?
That is somewhat correct. Though covered pilots (aish m'aish which for some reason is relied on lechatchilah in industrial plants but not in commercial kitchens) are some what more reliable. Even pilots tend to go out from time to time. That said it's possible that they have a yotzei v'nichnas mashgiach several times a day. (Many out of town places rely on this for pareve or milchig and occasionally even fleishig due to lack of personnel.)

That is only the beginning of the issues. You can have issues of them running out of washed vegetables or g'maasered produce and more.
You could theoretically wash all produce needed for the day and have a surplus. Additionally you can lock up any non-checked produce on-site. (Many orginizations are doing this for places like salad brs which just have a mashgiach for bedikas toila'im)

Leaving such a kitchen with no mashgiach is does NOT sound like keeping to mehdarin standards.
You need to define mehadrin standards first....
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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4100 on: June 25, 2018, 05:39:56 PM »
You need to define mehadrin standards first....
The ones they are trying to give an impression that they are keeping to.
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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4101 on: June 25, 2018, 06:14:18 PM »
I worked for the guy once Kashring hotels for Pesach.
I also know his boss who is an authority on Kashrus and told me there was no problem with the Waldorf.

I guess the argument will go on and on....
Which guy ?
And do u mind saying his boss or what kashrus he is involved with or can u pm me that info

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4102 on: June 25, 2018, 07:38:32 PM »
Why can't a fire be left on that was lit by a Jew?
And who's turning on the ovens?
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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4103 on: June 25, 2018, 07:42:18 PM »
And who's turning on the ovens?
pilot? Many convection oven to have pilots. I believe Blodgett and Rationale make a combi oven with a pilot.
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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4104 on: June 25, 2018, 07:43:26 PM »
Now there are terms like mehuderet to learn for a restaurant like Crave, which was opened and managed by a partner who also owns Teaneck’s Nobo.
Is there anyone who actually eats there?
This is the hechsher they had,camera was dying when I took it so flash wasn't working.

« Last Edit: June 25, 2018, 07:48:03 PM by myi »
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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4105 on: June 26, 2018, 03:38:06 AM »
I saw somewhere that new rules (which were suggested many times before) will go into effect, forbidding any employer/employee relationship between the supervised stablishement and its mashgiach. I wonder how that would play out at the WAJ.
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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4106 on: June 26, 2018, 03:40:02 AM »
The ones they are trying to give an impression that they are keeping to.
Which use one of your favorite types of logic/reasoning. Our Mehadrin standard is that we only use Mehadrin meat...
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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4107 on: June 26, 2018, 05:19:51 AM »
Which guy ?
And do u mind saying his boss or what kashrus he is involved with or can u pm me that info
The Mashgiach.
His boss is the head of the Rabbanut Mehadrin Jerusalem. 

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4108 on: June 26, 2018, 06:05:49 AM »
I saw somewhere that new rules (which were suggested many times before) will go into effect, forbidding any employer/employee relationship between the supervised stablishement and its mashgiach. I wonder how that would play out at the WAJ.
just to be clear, this is referring to the yotzai vnichnas Mashgiach who used to be paid by the various establishments he visited. The temidi Mashgichim (knowiis EY as a "ne'eman Kashrut" will still be employees of the establishment. This is based on the information I received from my Rabbanut contact. This actually what many hashgachos in the US do and should work fine if you have a good Yotzai vnichnas. In Boston the Yotzai vnichnas stops by each establishment between 2 and 6 times per week
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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4109 on: June 26, 2018, 07:16:24 AM »
In Boston the Yotzai vnichnas stops by each establishment between 2 and 6 times per week

That is because he doesn't want to use the bathroom in those establishments.