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Breakfast:
Paying guests get breakfast for free. If you are staying on points you need to be gold or diamond to get free breakfast. (source)

Parking:
Complimentary (No longer, is now 60sh for self park - Drago)

Shuls Nearby:
Great Synagogue - Approx. 7 minute walk
Kotel around 15min walk thru the mall & arab Shuk (Only suggested when soldiers are present like friday night on the way home)
Hotel has a Shul in the basement

Hechsher: Plain Rabbanut Yerushayim (not mehadrin)
hechsherim in isreal
whatever your rabbi says you can eat, someone else's rabbi says is treif

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Author Topic: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem  (Read 641606 times)

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4110 on: June 26, 2018, 07:17:19 AM »
That is because he doesn't want to use the bathroom in those establishments.
I actually wasn't talking about that place and cannot vouch for how they operate
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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4111 on: June 26, 2018, 08:25:05 AM »
The Mashgiach.
His boss is the head of the Rabbanut Mehadrin Jerusalem. 
Even though the certification isn't mehadrin?
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4112 on: June 26, 2018, 08:39:06 AM »
The Mashgiach.
His boss is the head of the Rabbanut Mehadrin Jerusalem.
Interesting bc the hotel is plain rabanut

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4113 on: June 26, 2018, 12:05:48 PM »
And issue by meat that no mashgiach tmidi.
I as well was there and asked for mashgiach and I heard her say in Hebrew thinking I didn't understand that they didn't know if he came yet and that was at 9am . When he came about 45 min later I asked about the kashrus and I got the everything is good , I asked him what products they use and i guess he thought I was an  ignorant American not someone who lives here and has a clue  to  the types of kashrus here. He told me everything is good when I pressed him for which hashgacha they use he said don't worry it's all mehadrin I asked for specifics and when he gave them to me I told him in Hebrew that some of hasgachas they use are definitely not mehadrin and he said if I don't like it don't eat .

What hashgachas did he tell you, that you’d consider not mehadrin?

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4114 on: June 26, 2018, 12:16:42 PM »
A few of the cheeses can't remember exactly which hechsher (if any ) but def not mehadrin. And also should know that the made food is considered milchig not just d.e.
So asked why and he said bc they aren't always good with cleaning the dishes well , so asked if possible that my made food (eggs pancakes etc.) Can have that non mehadrin cheese in it ? Said possible but it's a sofek if used the utensil for that cheese and  sofek if wasn't washed well and even if went in is prob batul bshishim..

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4115 on: June 26, 2018, 01:10:51 PM »
A few of the cheeses can't remember exactly which hechsher (if any ) but def not mehadrin. And also should know that the made food is considered milchig not just d.e.
So asked why and he said bc they aren't always good with cleaning the dishes well , so asked if possible that my made food (eggs pancakes etc.) Can have that non mehadrin cheese in it ? Said possible but it's a sofek if used the utensil for that cheese and  sofek if wasn't washed well and even if went in is prob batul bshishim..
Sounds like bitul lichatchila.
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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4116 on: June 26, 2018, 01:45:07 PM »
A few of the cheeses can't remember exactly which hechsher (if any ) but def not mehadrin. And also should know that the made food is considered milchig not just d.e.
So asked why and he said bc they aren't always good with cleaning the dishes well , so asked if possible that my made food (eggs pancakes etc.) Can have that non mehadrin cheese in it ? Said possible but it's a sofek if used the utensil for that cheese and  sofek if wasn't washed well and even if went in is prob batul bshishim..

So now you’re accusing them of using cheese without a hechsher at all. These cheeses are specialty cheeses, they’re not using them in your pancakes or eggs & I can’t think of a common scenario that would cause them to use utensils used for those cheeses for your eggs or pancakes & even if they did-

Sounds like bitul lichatchila.

 I’m not claiming to know anything about their Kashrus but what you’re saying is not worth much. You gotta find other reasons to say they’re not mehadrin & at the same time try not to accuse them of using treif because it just cheapens anything else you say.

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4117 on: June 26, 2018, 01:46:41 PM »
The Mashgiach.
His boss is the head of the Rabbanut Mehadrin Jerusalem.
Lol, so you asked the masgiach and the masgiachs boss and they both said that the masgiach is doing a good job and the establishment is kosher? Sounds very definitive.

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4118 on: June 26, 2018, 02:24:57 PM »
Lol, so you asked the masgiach and the masgiachs boss and they both said that the masgiach is doing a good job and the establishment is kosher? Sounds very definitive.

If the Mishna would be written in today's day and age, I'm sure there would have been an extra line about Hechsherim in Kidushin 4:14.
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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4119 on: June 26, 2018, 02:40:28 PM »
If the Mishna would be written in today's day and age, I'm sure there would have been an extra line about Hechsherim in Kidushin 4:14.
There clearly is,  הכשר שבטבחים שותפו של עמלק.

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4120 on: June 26, 2018, 02:45:02 PM »
There clearly is,  הכשר שבטבחים שותפו של עמלק.

That quote didn't even fathom what goes on today in the Hechsherim business. To quote my FIL: מ'האט אויפגעהערט עסן כשר, און אנגעהויבן עסן הכשרים.
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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4121 on: June 26, 2018, 02:45:56 PM »
That quote didn't even fathom what goes on today in the Hechsherim business.
The mishna is timeless.

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4122 on: June 26, 2018, 02:48:39 PM »
The mishna is timeless.
Indeed. But its language is period specific.
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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4123 on: June 26, 2018, 04:01:23 PM »
So now you’re accusing them of using cheese without a hechsher at all. These cheeses are specialty cheeses, they’re not using them in your pancakes or eggs & I can’t think of a common scenario that would cause them to use utensils used for those cheeses for your eggs or pancakes & even if they did-

 I’m not claiming to know anything about their Kashrus but what you’re saying is not worth much. You gotta find other reasons to say they’re not mehadrin & at the same time try not to accuse them of using treif because it just cheapens anything else you say.
That's what mashgiach told me I didn't make it up not saying it's an issue but Its how comfortable u r relying on those kulas.
u sound like the type that holds of anything with a k symbol inside it then it must be kosher

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4124 on: June 26, 2018, 04:25:46 PM »
That's what mashgiach told me I didn't make it up not saying it's an issue but Its how comfortable u r relying on those kulas.
u sound like the type that holds of anything with a k symbol inside it then it must be kosher

Your personal attack on my standards does nothing to gain you credibility. You know nothing about me. I never said you made anything up & I never said I’d rely on their hechsher, I said that what your saying about specialty cheeses is not at all a reason why the entire hotel is not mehadrin. Regardless the fact that you felt a need as well to accuse them of having items without any hechsher says a lot about the value of your opinion.