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Kotel around 15min walk thru the mall & arab Shuk (Only suggested when soldiers are present like friday night on the way home)
Hotel has a Shul in the basement
Shul across the street

Hechsher: Plain Rabbanut Yerushayim (not mehadrin)
hechsherim in isreal
whatever your rabbi says you can eat, someone else's rabbi says is treif

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If you get free drinks vouchers and don't use them, I'll buy it off you for 10 shek per voucher.
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If anyone is planing on staying at Waldorf and not eating the free breakfast please PM dragoddfer, and he may be able to pay for the breakfast.

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4700 on: July 21, 2019, 08:10:59 AM »
Seems pretty arrogant
It seems you didn't read the interview with the mashgiach that the hotel themselves arranged a while back when the hotel changed hands.. You would have seen that then already.

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4701 on: July 21, 2019, 10:13:58 AM »
It seems you didn't read the interview with the mashgiach that the hotel themselves arranged a while back when the hotel changed hands.. You would have seen that then already.
That was promotional this is simple arrogance.
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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4702 on: July 21, 2019, 11:46:30 AM »
That was promotional this is simple arrogance.

What do you expect from the guy? To give up his Parnossa?

As far as the hotel is concerned, it ain't broke, so why fix it. מראה עיניים proves better than anything else that there are enough people that don't really care, and whatever arrangement is there is sufficient for them and the statements published are sufficient for their conscience.

As a matter of fact I find this:
We’ve got to do something about this!
to be either a lot more arrognat (or naïve/clueless).
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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4703 on: July 21, 2019, 11:58:11 AM »


What do you expect from the guy? To give up his Parnossa?

How is he losing parnassa he would still be paid as the mashgiach and be on premises  , only difference is that Americans would have an inside man they can trust to say either what he's saying is good and you can trust him that he's responding to you according to your standard or that you can eat only the following items and avoid others

 kind of what they have going on in the citadel and plaza that you can talk to mashgiach but in general you can ask the vaad hakashrus here and they know what you can eat by  breakfast.

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4704 on: July 25, 2019, 11:22:57 AM »
I'm staying in WAJ in a few weeks for shabbos but dont want to eat there shabbos meals. Where is the closest place with a good hechsher that I can eat Fiday night and Shabbos day?

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4705 on: July 25, 2019, 11:37:01 AM »
I'm staying in WAJ in a few weeks for shabbos but dont want to eat there shabbos meals. Where is the closest place with a good hechsher that I can eat Fiday night and Shabbos day?
What do you consider a good hechsher?
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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4706 on: July 25, 2019, 01:17:54 PM »

How is he losing parnassa he would still be paid as the mashgiach and be on premises  , only difference is that Americans would have an inside man they can trust to say either what he's saying is good and you can trust him that he's responding to you according to your standard or that you can eat only the following items and avoid others

 kind of what they have going on in the citadel and plaza that you can talk to mashgiach but in general you can ask the vaad hakashrus here and they know what you can eat by  breakfast.
You think he would still have a job there if the Americans stop eating there?
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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4707 on: July 25, 2019, 01:28:35 PM »
I'm staying in WAJ in a few weeks for shabbos but dont want to eat there shabbos meals. Where is the closest place with a good hechsher that I can eat Fiday night and Shabbos day?
I think Leonardo is Rabbanut Mehadrin.

Inbal is Rabbanut but claim to only use Mehadrin ingredients (not sure that's any better than WAJ).

I am not aware of any "badatz" hotels.

Ramada is under OU Israel but that's quite far. (note that it's heavily debated how reliable OU Israel is - the Rav hamachshir used to give a weekly kasharus shiur at my yeshiva - Hakotel - and based on his personal knowledge and what he told me, combined with what the OU says publically, I'd rank it up there, but others say it's no better than Rabbanut Mehadrin).

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4708 on: July 25, 2019, 01:50:28 PM »
I'm staying in WAJ in a few weeks for shabbos but dont want to eat there shabbos meals. Where is the closest place with a good hechsher that I can eat Fiday night and Shabbos day?
The only hotel with what's called a good hechsher is Prima.

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4709 on: July 25, 2019, 02:06:48 PM »
The only hotel with what's called a good hechsher is Prima.

I am guessing you mean Prima Palace, which is under Badatz Agudas Yisroel. Not necessarily the other Prima hotels (though Prima Kings is Rabanut Yerushalayim Mehadrin).

While searching online for information, I came across this page which some might find of interest: https://www.kosharot.co.il/index2.php?id=412570&lang=HEB
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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4710 on: July 25, 2019, 02:07:59 PM »
I am guessing you mean Prima Kings, not the other Prima hotels.

While searching online for information, I came across this page which some might find of interest: https://www.kosharot.co.il/index2.php?id=412570&lang=HEB
Prima Palace

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4711 on: July 25, 2019, 02:15:08 PM »
The only hotel with what's called a good hechsher is Prima.
Litov is Bedatz

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4712 on: July 25, 2019, 02:15:19 PM »
I am guessing you mean Prima Palace, which is under Badatz Agudas Yisroel.
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« Reply #4713 on: July 25, 2019, 02:24:56 PM »
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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4714 on: July 25, 2019, 02:29:07 PM »
Litov is Bedatz

Good to know that option exists. Website is half-baked. https://litovhotel.co.il/#
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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4715 on: July 25, 2019, 02:49:06 PM »
Doesn't exist. You can get clear answers for everything in the US. In Israel it's impossible to get non-political answers and it's impossible to compare standards to the US.

Just came across this: https://www.kosharot.co.il/index2.php?id=281&lang=HEB#B

So it satisfies you to have someone claim that they are a-political and know what they are saying, you now have a list of sorts.

I find it interesting that browsing through the website I couldn't find any names of Rabbonim that are responsible for this site.
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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4716 on: July 25, 2019, 03:20:33 PM »
Just came across this: https://www.kosharot.co.il/index2.php?id=281&lang=HEB#B

So it satisfies you to have someone claim that they are a-political and know what they are saying, you now have a list of sorts.

I find it interesting that browsing through the website I couldn't find any names of Rabbonim that are responsible for this site.
I also find it funny that they ahve certain ones on their list while leaving out other ones.

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4717 on: July 25, 2019, 03:49:26 PM »
I also find it funny that they ahve certain ones on their list while leaving out other ones.

That's to be expected. However I finally found a link on their website to an article that indicates who they are: https://www.inn.co.il/Besheva/Article.aspx/7594
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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4718 on: July 25, 2019, 04:21:07 PM »
That's to be expected. However I finally found a link on their website to an article that indicates who they are: https://www.inn.co.il/Besheva/Article.aspx/7594
The reality is that for better or worse it will not be the source to find out about charedi kashrus standards.

הרב לבנון, המשמש גם כנשיא הארגון וכפוסק הראשי שלו, מספר על החזון שעומד בבסיס 'כושרות'. "בדברים מסויימים הציבור הדתי לאומי מוביל, אבל בדברים אחרים הוא נגרר. בארץ ישראל הוא מוביל. בתורה כבר יש מחלוקת מי מוביל. בנושא הדקדקנות במצוות נראה על פניו שהוא לא מוביל. אני מדבר על הציבור בכללותו. ציבור רחב על כל מרכיביו.
"החזון שעומד מאחורי הקמת כושרות הוא לא רק לתת מענה פרטני לפלוני אלמוני שרוצה מקום כשר, אלא לשדרג את הציבור הדתי לאומי שיוביל גם בתחומים האלה".

הרב לבנון אומר שבשלב הנוכחי 'כושרות' פועלת כמערכת נותנת כשרות ברמה מסויימת. עדיין לא הוקם בד"ץ 'כושרות', אם-כי דיבורים על האפשרות הזו נמצאים בדיונים כבר שנה ויותר. הרב לבנון מאמין שבעתיד אכן יקום בד"ץ כזה, אם כי ייתכן שתהיה הפרדה מסויימת בין הגוף ההלכתי-אידיאולוגי לבין הגוף המעשי, למרות שהראש האידיאולוגי, שייתן את ההנחיה האידיאולוגית וההלכתית, יהיה אחד.

הרב לבנון מעוניין לראות את הציבור הדתי לאומי מוביל בבד"צים, כאשר כל גוף אחר ייאלץ להתחרות ברף הגבוה אותו יציב 'כושרות'. "מנגד, יש מקומות בהם מציבים רף מדומה, הגזמה ללא שום צורך הלכתי אמיתי, שהיא בגדר 'כילוי ממונם של ישראל'. חומרות מיותרות כאלה אינן משפרות את הכשרות וגורמות להעלאה ניכרת של המחיר".
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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4719 on: July 25, 2019, 04:33:51 PM »
The reality is that for better or worse it will not be the source to find out about charedi kashrus standards.


What are "Charedi Kashrus Standards"?

Are all the people that accept the standards of the WAJ despite the evidence and indications that it might not be up to par with what they presumably or are publicly willing to admit that they accept defined as "Charedi"?
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