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Author Topic: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem  (Read 518153 times)

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4770 on: July 31, 2019, 10:18:45 AM »
Pri chadash, reb moshe, chazon ish just to name a couple off the top of my head. although there are more.

Of course, they all only hold that way incertain circumstances such as where there is no cholov tamei around or if there is government oversight. (both would apply today in America)
I think it's more like an umdena so is considered watched
The umdena is very important since, according to the OU, the heter of R Moshe as written is no longer applicable with the current rules and enforcement mechanisms. R Belsky used the underlying reasoning of R Moshe to be matir even now.
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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4771 on: July 31, 2019, 10:22:10 AM »
The umdena is very important since, according to the OU, the heter of R Moshe as written is no longer applicable with the current rules and enforcement mechanisms. R Belsky used the underlying reasoning of R Moshe to be matir even now.
Can you please link?

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4774 on: July 31, 2019, 10:36:44 AM »
I think it is this
https://oukosher.org/blog/consumer-kosher/rav-moshe-ztls-heter-of-cholov-stam-revisited/

Thank you very much for posting.

The last two paragraphs seem to contradict each other.

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It should be noted that the above, newly-formulated position on cholov stam is actually the total reverse of Reb Moshe’s heter: Reb Moshe was mattir cholov stam based on dairy plants being inspected by the government, and government inspection of farms was a non-issue due to the concept of “bo l’yad Yisroel”. Now, in contradistinction, government inspection of farms plays the central role, and dairy plant inspection is no longer central for the heter. It is also important to note that the new position does not rely on “bo l’yad Yisroel” and may appeal to those who were not comfortable using this rationale in this case.

As evidenced by the above p’sak and research, the OU continues to pave the way in kashrus technical data and to service those in Klal Yisroel who wish to rely on Rav Moshe’s heter concerning cholov stam.
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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4775 on: July 31, 2019, 11:31:59 AM »
I think it's more like an umdena so is considered watched
IINM R' Moshe's heter and the Chazon Ish's heter are different. I'm still unclear as to why the general consensus was to go like R' Moshe's heter and not like the Chazon Ish when the Chazon Ish's tshuva makes it less of a heter and more of a non-issue as far as I understood it. Maybe it has more to do with paskening like the taz? The Chazon Ish seemed to say that he doesn't see why the taz says what he does. I think I have to go over the sugya again. Maybe @aygart can weigh in?
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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4776 on: July 31, 2019, 11:33:00 AM »
Thank you very much for posting.

The last two paragraphs seem to contradict each other.

The bottom one means those who wish to consume cholov stam
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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4777 on: July 31, 2019, 12:09:50 PM »
The only government agency that DDF members trust (even if the agency says they don't even do that job).
I think DDF's favorite agency is the DoT.

Government regulations are bad, except when they are agaisnt airlines, when we need more.

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4778 on: July 31, 2019, 12:11:17 PM »
I think DDF's favorite agency is the DoT.

Government regulations are bad, except when they are agaisnt airlines, when we need more.
I like the DoT, but would I trust them with my wallet? Definitely not.
With my Yahadus? LOL
With things they say they don't even look for anymore? OK then.
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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4779 on: July 31, 2019, 12:38:37 PM »
anybody had luck getting a one bedroom suite with diamond status? if not what room type you get?

 do they treat you better as a diamond?

i booked last year with gold and got a nice upgrade (not a suite).

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4780 on: July 31, 2019, 12:39:53 PM »
anybody had luck getting a one bedroom suite with diamond status? if not what were you able to get. do they treat you better over as a diamond?
i booked last year with gold and got a nice upgrade (not a suite).

been a while since they really did those upgrades. half the place is diamond

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4781 on: July 31, 2019, 01:40:01 PM »
been a while since they really did those upgrades. half the place is diamond

but still if available they should try to do so? i am talking low season.

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4782 on: July 31, 2019, 02:45:39 PM »
I think it's more like relying on R Moshe that they can be trusted than actually personally choosing to trust them because they seem trustworthy.
Its pretty certain in today's day in age that the the milk is cow's milk. Anybody who tells you otherwise is a fool. With lab testing and other means (aside from the fact that cholov tamei is def not readily available and more expensive) the fallout for a company who'd be caught would be disastrous.

Now this might not be enough to be matir but definitely worth keeping in mind.

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4783 on: July 31, 2019, 03:35:35 PM »
anybody had luck getting a one bedroom suite with diamond status? if not what room type you get?

 do they treat you better as a diamond?

i booked last year with gold and got a nice upgrade (not a suite).
Usually give upgrades upto grand deluxe

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4784 on: July 31, 2019, 03:58:36 PM »
Maybe @aygart can weigh in?

It is at least 15 years since I really went over them well, but the way I understood them was that they are not the same opinion. I had a bunch of nafka minas between them. I would need to look back in my notes.
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