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Breakfast:
Paying guests get breakfast for free. If you are staying on points you need to be gold or diamond to get free breakfast. (source)

Parking:
Complimentary (No longer, is now 60sh for self park - Drago)

Shuls Nearby:
Great Synagogue - Approx. 7 minute walk
Kotel around 15min walk thru the mall & arab Shuk (Only suggested when soldiers are present like friday night on the way home)
Hotel has a Shul in the basement
Shul across the street

Hechsher: Plain Rabbanut Yerushayim (not mehadrin)
hechsherim in isreal
whatever your rabbi says you can eat, someone else's rabbi says is treif

If anyone is planing on staying at Waldorf and not eating the free breakfast (Hechsher, Early flight, etc') please PM shimino1

If you get free drinks vouchers and don't use them, I'll buy it off you for 10 shek per voucher.
PM shimino1

If anyone is planing on staying at Waldorf and not eating the free breakfast please PM dragoddfer, and he may be able to pay for the breakfast.

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Author Topic: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem  (Read 1207416 times)

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #5840 on: May 08, 2024, 02:26:07 PM »
And what do you think is happening differently in this regard in the Citadel that Rabbi Weiner 'recommends'?
I don't know but the typical answer is not that they are afraid but that they have a system in place to to monitor.
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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #5841 on: May 08, 2024, 02:39:45 PM »
I don't know but the typical answer is not that they are afraid but that they have a system in place to to monitor.
The 'system' is a Mashgiach walking around and checking. It is the same at the Citadel and Waldorf. Nobody has a camera or a team of Mashgiachim standing constantly by every burner.
״וזה כלל גדול: שישנא אדם כל דבר שקר. וכל מה שיוסיף שנאה לדרכי השקר יוסיף אהבה לתורה.״ - אורחות צדיקים

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #5842 on: May 08, 2024, 02:48:53 PM »
And what do you think is happening differently in this regard in the Citadel that Rabbi Weiner 'recommends'?
Possibly that the kitchen and equipment are locked and surveiled more securely?

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #5843 on: May 08, 2024, 02:50:58 PM »
Possibly that the kitchen and equipment are locked and surveiled more securely?
Locked and the cooks aren't allowed in? The kitchen staff at both hotels has Arabs.
״וזה כלל גדול: שישנא אדם כל דבר שקר. וכל מה שיוסיף שנאה לדרכי השקר יוסיף אהבה לתורה.״ - אורחות צדיקים

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #5844 on: May 08, 2024, 03:51:43 PM »
And what do you think is happening differently in this regard in the Citadel that Rabbi Weiner 'recommends'?
Transparency between the mashgiach and rabbi weiners mashgiach they can come down talk to him whenever and he isn't afraid to show them or answer any questions they may have.
They have spoken to him many times and say he is trustworthy and can believe him in what's going down.
They also have good relationship with mashgiach in David intercontinental, the Ritz and a few others
The Waldorf you mention the name rabbi Weiner the mashgiach will stomp off and give you the so eat somewhere else if you don't trust me and you trust him.
Yes I have had it happen to me and others I have sent there many times.

That's the diffrence

The Waldorf may be just as good in kashrus but when there's nobody to talk to or who is afraid of letting people in to see what's going on or have a conversation with him makes you wonder what they are hiding.

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #5845 on: May 08, 2024, 04:15:25 PM »
Locked and the cooks aren't allowed in? The kitchen staff at both hotels has Arabs.
I don't have first hand knowledge so I'm not going to say anything but I have heard enough second hand stories that I find it easy to believe Rabbi Kuber when he says there's issues with the bishul akum at WAJ that aren't a concern at the Citadel.

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #5846 on: May 08, 2024, 04:17:37 PM »
Out of curiosity, does the mashgiach at WAJ work for the hotel or for a kashrus agency?

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #5847 on: May 08, 2024, 04:18:44 PM »
The 'system' is a Mashgiach walking around and checking. It is the same at the Citadel and Waldorf. Nobody has a camera or a team of Mashgiachim standing constantly by every burner.

That can be very different than "they are too scared" which sounds a bit cocky.
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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #5848 on: May 08, 2024, 04:20:29 PM »
I don't have first hand knowledge so I'm not going to say anything but I have heard enough second hand stories that I find it easy to believe Rabbi Kuber when he says there's issues with the bishul akum at WAJ that aren't a concern at the Citadel.
Even according to the rema's shita? I find that very hard to believe. Obviously not lechatchila, but bedieved.

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #5849 on: May 08, 2024, 05:26:29 PM »
Even according to the rema's shita? I find that very hard to believe. Obviously not lechatchila, but bedieved.

Do they even try for more? It is very easy for it to be bishul akum even according to the RMA in a commercial kitchen. All you need is for the convection oven to stay open for a couple of miutes.
Why isn't the RMA lichatchila?
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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #5850 on: May 08, 2024, 06:02:32 PM »
Do they even try for more? It is very easy for it to be bishul akum even according to the RMA in a commercial kitchen. All you need is for the convection oven to stay open for a couple of miutes.
Why isn't the RMA lichatchila?
some say that that the rema isn't lechatchila. Chelkas Binyamin to start....

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #5851 on: May 08, 2024, 07:14:35 PM »
Is the mashgiach feeling this way adequate? What if he can't be found at that minute?
This was when they made eggs for you in the dinning room.The worker would ask a religious person to light the fire.

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #5852 on: May 08, 2024, 07:28:05 PM »
some say that that the rema isn't lechatchila. Chelkas Binyamin to start....

IIRC that is only regarding some parts of the RMA and not everything.
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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #5853 on: May 08, 2024, 07:28:39 PM »
This was when they made eggs for you in the dinning room.The worker would ask a religious person to light the fire.

Okay
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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #5854 on: May 12, 2024, 08:01:32 AM »
Do they even try for more? It is very easy for it to be bishul akum even according to the RMA in a commercial kitchen. All you need is for the convection oven to stay open for a couple of miutes.
Why isn't the RMA lichatchila?
Many convection ovens have standing pilots, so it takes care of this issue.

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #5855 on: May 12, 2024, 08:18:13 AM »
Many convection ovens have standing pilots, so it takes care of this issue.
not many. Very few. I believe the only new ones that have (in the US) are the ones that have shabbos mode.

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #5856 on: May 12, 2024, 08:47:30 AM »
not many. Very few. I believe the only new ones that have (in the US) are the ones that have shabbos mode.
Some brands build it that way on all their ovens.

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #5857 on: May 12, 2024, 08:54:41 AM »
Some brands build it that way on all their ovens.
which? I'd love to share this info with all my clients

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #5858 on: Today at 04:23:55 PM »
Data point : the hotel is cracking down on 2nd guest bookings on points/fnc
One broker was doing lots of bookings and advertising in many places cheap rates (based off points ) for specific dates almost half of what hotel was showing.
The hotel and many travel agents got upset and are now putting a stop to this.
Also the Ritz is involved as their gm is the old Waldorf gm and still have contact with each other. so from what I heard they also may or have already stopped doing 2nd guest bookings.
Last week I know of people who got rejected from both places