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Dr Moose · « **Reply #1060 on:** February 22, 2015, 07:30:54 AM »

Quote from: sky121 on February 22, 2015, 07:28:42 AM

And how many people here eat ou meat in Israel?

or even in America for that matter

Dan · « **Reply #1061 on:** February 22, 2015, 07:34:55 AM »

Is there just plain OU meat in the US?
Truth is I'd eat at an OU restaurant in the US without finding out what meat they use.

And the OU claims that they have the same standards in israel.

Drago · « **Reply #1062 on:** February 22, 2015, 07:45:00 AM »

Jeez, I think 75% of this thread could go into the Kashrus thread, and it would be much cleaner.

Elshal · « **Reply #1063 on:** February 22, 2015, 07:48:35 AM »

Anyone who eats papagayos in talipot should know that that's ou meat in israel

Elshal · « **Reply #1064 on:** February 22, 2015, 07:49:49 AM »

I personally eat there but then again I eat rabbanut mehadrin and machpud so I guess according to some pretty lenient?

peacenlove613 · « **Reply #1065 on:** February 22, 2015, 07:55:56 AM »

If you trust them in America why wouldn't you trust them in Israel?
A rumor because you heard from someone doesn't change anything unless it can be verified.

https://oukosher.org/faqs/ou-israel/

Dan · « **Reply #1066 on:** February 22, 2015, 08:06:00 AM »

Probably because everything in israel is overly politicized which makes it hard to differentiate the actual issues from the politics.
And leaves americans utterly clueless about what their standards should be when visiting.

Elshal · « **Reply #1067 on:** February 22, 2015, 08:08:16 AM »

Thank you for that link it's pretty informative I've heard ppl say things like " there is no ou in israel at all its a scam"

Dr Moose · « **Reply #1068 on:** February 22, 2015, 08:33:22 AM »

Quote from: peacenlove613 on February 22, 2015, 07:55:56 AM

If you trust them in America why wouldn't you trust them in Israel?

a lot more halachos in Israel: trumos & maaser, shviis etc

sky121 · « **Reply #1069 on:** February 22, 2015, 08:36:39 AM »

Quote from: peacenlove613 on February 22, 2015, 07:55:56 AM

If you trust them in America why wouldn't you trust them in Israel?
A rumor because you heard from someone doesn't change anything unless it can be verified.

https://oukosher.org/faqs/ou-israel/

I've spoken to various people who work in the OU in different departments and gotten different answers.

Personally I eat OU in Israel.
Many don't.
At the end of the day you can't really know.
Like I've shared in the past at the end of the day all you really know is that you paid for kosher.

I've asked my LOR about which hechsherim to eat and what not. And then at the end asked straight out if I'm eating Rabbanut am I eating kosher? And the answer is yes.
The rest is all depending on chumros and trust of an establishment and it's workers.
In Israel I've seen places with Rabbanut hechsher been more careful and on top of things than places with the top accepted mehadrin hechsherim.
There is no black and white answer. You do what research you feel necessary and "pay for kosher" .
Anyone eating food outside of their own house can't really be sure.

peacenlove613 · « **Reply #1070 on:** February 22, 2015, 08:52:10 AM »

Quote from: sky121 on February 22, 2015, 08:36:39 AM

I've spoken to various people who work in the OU in different departments and gotten different answers.

Personally I eat OU in Israel.
Many don't.
At the end of the day you can't really know.
Like I've shared in the past at the end of the day all you really know is that you paid for kosher.

I've asked my LOR about which hechsherim to eat and what not. And then at the end asked straight out if I'm eating Rabbanut am I eating kosher? And the answer is yes.
The rest is all depending on chumros and trust of an establishment and it's workers.
In Israel I've seen places with Rabbanut hechsher been more careful and on top of things than places with the top accepted mehadrin hechsherim.
There is no black and white answer. You do what research you feel necessary and "pay for kosher" .
Anyone eating food outside of their own house can't really be sure.

Well said

Dr Moose · « **Reply #1071 on:** February 22, 2015, 08:56:39 AM »

Quote from: sky121 on February 22, 2015, 08:36:39 AM

And then at the end asked straight out if I'm eating Rabbanut am I eating kosher? And the answer is yes.

and i've spoken to some people and they say: no

not that its bassur v'cholov, but they're relying on kulos that most don't hold of

sky121 · « **Reply #1072 on:** February 22, 2015, 09:29:50 AM »

Quote from: Dr Moose on February 22, 2015, 08:56:39 AM

and i've spoken to some people and they say: no

not that its bassur v'cholov, but they're relying on kulos that most don't hold of

So they think it's trief? Anyways I'm not saying to eat it. Was just trying to make a point.

coralsnake · « **Reply #1073 on:** February 22, 2015, 09:49:20 AM »

Quote from: Dr Moose on February 22, 2015, 08:33:22 AM

a lot more halachos in Israel: trumos & maaser, shviis etc

Why would you think that fruits and vegetables from Israel don't make their way to the US?

Fakert, I can make the argument that in the US they need to be more knowledgeable, wary, and on the lookout for Israeli produce. Especially since store owners have less knowledge of the Halachos involved.

ilherman · « **Reply #1074 on:** February 22, 2015, 10:35:27 AM »

Quote from: Dr Moose on February 22, 2015, 08:56:39 AM

and i've spoken to some people and they say: no

not that its bassur v'cholov, but they're relying on kulos that most don't hold of

+1. And I am talking about the non mehadrin one. There are so many Shailes especially with meat even a good Hechsher has to be soo careful with meat. Never mind rabbanut who has no standards...

ilherman · « **Reply #1075 on:** February 22, 2015, 10:39:05 AM »

Quote from: Dan on February 22, 2015, 07:34:55 AM

Is there just plain OU meat in the US?
Truth is I'd eat at an OU restaurant in the US without finding out what meat they use.

And the OU claims that they have the same standards in israel.

I dont think there is. Personally I verified with Le Marais that they use mealmart.

raphy781 · « **Reply #1076 on:** February 22, 2015, 10:56:15 AM »

Quote from: coralsnake on February 22, 2015, 09:49:20 AM

Why would you think that fruits and vegetables from Israel don't make their way to the US?

Then you get into ביטול ברוב, but if a store exclusively sells fruit imported from Israel you may have a problem.

moish · « **Reply #1077 on:** February 22, 2015, 12:26:01 PM »

Quote from: sky121 on February 22, 2015, 08:36:39 AM

I've asked my LOR about which hechsherim to eat and what not. And then at the end asked straight out if I'm eating Rabbanut am I eating kosher? And the answer is yes.

i believe your rabbi is misinformed

sky121 · « **Reply #1078 on:** February 22, 2015, 12:42:10 PM »

Quote from: moish on February 22, 2015, 12:26:01 PM

i believe your rabbi is misinformed

Make no mistake, he wasn't telling me to eat it. I just asked if I was eating kosher or not if I did eat it. This was after getting a rundown of which hechsherim I should or shouldn't eat.

Meanwhile you still may hold by your statement but that only helps my point... No black and white.

Emkay · « **Reply #1079 on:** February 22, 2015, 12:43:11 PM »

Quote from: moish on February 22, 2015, 12:26:01 PM

i believe your rabbi is misinformed

Or simply uninformed

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