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Breakfast:
Paying guests get breakfast for free. If you are staying on points you need to be gold or diamond to get free breakfast. (source)

Parking:
Complimentary (No longer, is now 60sh for self park - Drago)

Shuls Nearby:
Great Synagogue - Approx. 7 minute walk
Kotel around 15min walk thru the mall & arab Shuk (Only suggested when soldiers are present like friday night on the way home)
Hotel has a Shul in the basement
Shul across the street

Hechsher: Plain Rabbanut Yerushayim (not mehadrin)
hechsherim in isreal
whatever your rabbi says you can eat, someone else's rabbi says is treif

If anyone is planing on staying at Waldorf and not eating the free breakfast (Hechsher, Early flight, etc') please PM shimino1

If you get free drinks vouchers and don't use them, I'll buy it off you for 10 shek per voucher.
PM shimino1

If anyone is planing on staying at Waldorf and not eating the free breakfast please PM dragoddfer, and he may be able to pay for the breakfast.

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Author Topic: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem  (Read 1151776 times)

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4740 on: July 29, 2019, 09:51:58 AM »
Except that the Rabbanut doesn't do that and will never do that (at least with the way the Rabbanut is run nowadays.)
Mehuderet kind of does that.

Mehuderet in theory attests that the ingredients are at a mehadrin level even if other elements of the supervision are not.

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4741 on: July 29, 2019, 10:00:12 AM »
Mehuderet kind of does that.

Mehuderet in theory attests that the ingredients are at a mehadrin level even if other elements of the supervision are not.
Yay! That does absolutely nothing, especially since there are trustworthy rabanim who have gone into the kitchen and found ingredients that the mashgiach said he didn't use. It's fine if anyone wants to eat there but Idk how you can assume it's anything other than a rabannut mehadrin standard without going into the kitchen to check yourself or asking a person who knows kashrus in Israel who has personally gone in to check.
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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4742 on: July 29, 2019, 01:04:09 PM »
w/o creating a whole issue or getting into Lashon Hara - is it kosher? If I would eat in NY at Vaad Establishments and I eat Chlav Stam, should I consider the waldorf kosher?


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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4743 on: July 29, 2019, 01:07:00 PM »
w/o creating a whole issue or getting into Lashon Hara - is it kosher? If I would eat in NY at Vaad Establishments and I eat Chlav Stam, should I consider the waldorf kosher?
Of course it's kosher. What level kashrus anything is in Israel is seemingly impossible to compare to the US.
Save your time, I don't answer PM. Post it in the forum and a dedicated DDF'er will get back to you as soon as possible.

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4744 on: July 29, 2019, 01:17:59 PM »
w/o creating a whole issue or getting into Lashon Hara - is it kosher? If I would eat in NY at Vaad Establishments and I eat Chlav Stam, should I consider the waldorf kosher?
Which vaad?

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4745 on: July 29, 2019, 01:20:29 PM »

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4746 on: July 29, 2019, 01:26:43 PM »
Of course it's kosher. What level kashrus anything is in Israel is seemingly impossible to compare to the US.
If u eat triangle k then nothing to worry about in the Waldorf

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4747 on: July 29, 2019, 01:28:34 PM »
If u eat triangle k then nothing to worry about in the Waldorf
LOL
Save your time, I don't answer PM. Post it in the forum and a dedicated DDF'er will get back to you as soon as possible.

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4748 on: July 29, 2019, 01:33:00 PM »
w/o creating a whole issue or getting into Lashon Hara - is it kosher? If I would eat in NY at Vaad Establishments and I eat Chlav Stam, should I consider the waldorf kosher?
Few  if any local vaad would give a stamp of approval for the current state of the kashrus.

If they could be a higher hechsher they would....

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4749 on: July 30, 2019, 09:02:50 PM »
w/o creating a whole issue or getting into Lashon Hara - is it kosher? If I would eat in NY at Vaad Establishments and I eat Chlav Stam, should I consider the waldorf kosher?
chalav stam has nothing to do with this. That is not necessarily a level of kashrus (chabadnikim are welcome to scream at me). Many gedolim eat cholov stam

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4750 on: July 30, 2019, 09:05:07 PM »
Of course it's kosher. What level kashrus anything is in Israel is seemingly impossible to compare to the US.
the latter is definitely true the former is the question

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4751 on: July 30, 2019, 09:05:27 PM »
chalav stam has nothing to do with this. That is not necessarily a level of kashrus (chabadnikim are welcome to scream at me). Many gedolim eat cholov stam
gedolim in what?

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4752 on: July 30, 2019, 09:20:26 PM »
I think the moral here is if you eat at Waldorf, there are probably other Rabbanut places in the country you could eat at if you were inclined to do research.

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4753 on: July 30, 2019, 09:54:04 PM »
I think the moral here is if you eat at Waldorf, there are probably other Rabbanut places in the country you could eat at if you were inclined to do research.
In other words, don't eat there?

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4754 on: July 30, 2019, 11:32:16 PM »
gedolim in what?
not sure why I'm even bothering to answer but Reb Dovid and Reb reuven feinstein, Reb kalman Epstein and I believe his father Reb zelik did as well to name a few

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4755 on: July 30, 2019, 11:33:46 PM »
gedolim in what?
Reb Moshe and the chazon ish are no slouches in any sense of the word. I personally do not eat cholov stam but it is more of a halachic/lomdus issue than a practical kashrus issue.

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4756 on: July 30, 2019, 11:47:35 PM »
Reb Moshe and the chazon ish are no slouches in any sense of the word. I personally do not eat cholov stam but it is more of a halachic/lomdus issue than a practical kashrus issue.
Many (most) possible concerns that create "levels" in kashrus are based on halachic/lomdus. Obviously different shitos about bugs, traifa, and the like, are examples, but even levels of supervision, (which is sometimes a question of ascertaining yiras shomayim of an individual), is still often dependant on different opinions and extrapolations from the sugyos involved.

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4757 on: July 30, 2019, 11:59:59 PM »
Many (most) possible concerns that create "levels" in kashrus are based on halachic/lomdus. Obviously different shitos about bugs, traifa, and the like, are examples, but even levels of supervision, (which is sometimes a question of ascertaining yiras shomayim of an individual), is still often dependant on different opinions and extrapolations from the sugyos involved.
There is a clear difference between "holding something is good" vs holding that you only need a certain amount of supervision to assume something is good. Im not sure how you dont see that. Honestly, Id have a hard time taking anyone seriously if they said that there was an actual chashash of cholov tamei in the cholov stam milk. That doesnt mean it would be muttar according to all shittos. But thats my point in the distinction made above.

I know those in these corners that are chabad think that Im being blasphemous here...

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4758 on: July 31, 2019, 08:18:36 AM »
There is a clear difference between "holding something is good" vs holding that you only need a certain amount of supervision to assume something is good. Im not sure how you dont see that. Honestly, Id have a hard time taking anyone seriously if they said that there was an actual chashash of cholov tamei in the cholov stam milk. That doesnt mean it would be muttar according to all shittos. But thats my point in the distinction made above.

I know those in these corners that are chabad think that Im being blasphemous here...
I don't think anyone holds that you don't need supervision for milk

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Re: Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem
« Reply #4759 on: July 31, 2019, 08:22:12 AM »
Does anyone know what the story with the pool is, at this hotel? Wasn't is supposed to be open YEARS ago?