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Author Topic: A New Era For Citi Thank You Points  (Read 448337 times)

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Re: A New Era For Citi Thank You Points
« Reply #460 on: February 10, 2013, 01:09:37 PM »
I received and reedemed about 100k thank you points for air fare and got a 1099 for about $1200

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Re: A New Era For Citi Thank You Points
« Reply #461 on: February 10, 2013, 01:14:55 PM »
I received and reedemed about 100k thank you points for air fare and got a 1099 for about $1200
Were these bonus points or points for spending?
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Re: A New Era For Citi Thank You Points
« Reply #462 on: February 10, 2013, 02:25:03 PM »

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Re: A New Era For Citi Thank You Points
« Reply #463 on: February 10, 2013, 02:27:56 PM »
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-drop/a-02-18.pdf
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Where did you find this?
Do you know an accountant ???  ;)
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Re: A New Era For Citi Thank You Points
« Reply #464 on: February 10, 2013, 02:28:32 PM »
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Re: A New Era For Citi Thank You Points
« Reply #465 on: February 10, 2013, 02:43:06 PM »
Thank God and do nothing . Citi has not sent them to every one, so you are one of the lucky ones.
Remember not all 1099s have been sent yet
Its not Citi.
I had the same issue with that bank last year.
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Re: A New Era For Citi Thank You Points
« Reply #466 on: February 10, 2013, 03:05:59 PM »
Very Nice to know?
Where did you find this?
Do you know an accountant ???  ;)
It has nothing to do with what we are talking about.
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Re: A New Era For Citi Thank You Points
« Reply #467 on: February 10, 2013, 03:41:32 PM »
Thank God and do nothing . Citi has not sent them to every one, so you are one of the lucky ones.
Remember not all 1099s have been sent yet
I thought they must be sent out by 1/31?
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Re: A New Era For Citi Thank You Points
« Reply #468 on: February 10, 2013, 04:47:03 PM »
It has nothing to do with what we are talking about.
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Re: A New Era For Citi Thank You Points
« Reply #469 on: February 10, 2013, 04:49:51 PM »
its close
Maybe if you own a business but other than that it is useless for what we are talking about.
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Re: A New Era For Citi Thank You Points
« Reply #470 on: February 10, 2013, 08:00:01 PM »
Maybe if you own a business but other than that it is useless for what we are talking about.
Personal income and personal business income are basically one and the same. (I would think)

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Re: A New Era For Citi Thank You Points
« Reply #471 on: February 10, 2013, 09:04:55 PM »
If you are looking for an apology then sure take it as one.  :)

The point I am making is the bonus you get for CC is not taxable and the bonus for savings/checking accounts is. It does not matter if that bonus is miles/points/cask. At least this is how the IRS has looked at it so far.
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HelpMe that is not true, points and miles are taxable. Yes points and miles that you receive from spending are considered a rebate, but the points and miles you receive as a promotion are not considered a rebate and are taxable. The reason the IRS is not doing anything about it is because it's hard to mandate and the code is not clear cut. 

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-drop/a-02-18.pdf
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Here are two more links on the matter.

http://www.katu.com/news/business/IRS-Citi-airline-miles-gift-is-taxable-income-138434994.html

http://www.aicpa.org/publications/taxadviser/2012/august/pages/clinic-story-08.aspx

It has nothing to do with what we are talking about.
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Re: A New Era For Citi Thank You Points
« Reply #472 on: February 10, 2013, 09:34:50 PM »
its close
"Two customers have filed a federal lawsuit seeking class action certification (Hirsch v. Citibank, N.A., No. 1:12-cv-01124 (S.D.N.Y., filed 2/14/12)), and Sen. Sherrod Brown, D-Ohio, wrote Citibank to reprimand it and ask it to discontinue the practice. In addition to questioning the method of valuing the award and claiming that Citibank did not tell its customers of its reporting plans, the lawsuit and Brown assert that the award is not taxable in the first place.

This seemingly should be a cut-and-dried matter, but the rules carry a story of their own. The Code and the regulations do not address the taxability of frequent flyer miles. Rules addressing de minimis fringe benefits seem to come closest. Without a specific exception, the reference in Sec. 61 to “all income from whatever source derived” would include the award in income. The most on-point guidance is found in Announcement 2002-18. It specifically addresses frequent flyer miles and reads, in part:

There are numerous technical and administrative issues relating to these benefits on which no official guidance has been provided, including issues relating to the timing and valuation of income inclusions and the basis for identifying personal use benefits attributable to business (or official) expenditures versus those attributable to personal expenditures. Because of these unresolved issues, the IRS has not pursued a tax enforcement program with respect to promotional benefits such as frequent flyer miles"

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Re: A New Era For Citi Thank You Points
« Reply #473 on: February 10, 2013, 09:54:46 PM »
HelpMe that is not true, points and miles are taxable.
Show me one case were the IRS has ruled that a bonus from a personal CC sign up is taxable. Since you are an accountant this should be easy to provide.
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Re: A New Era For Citi Thank You Points
« Reply #474 on: February 10, 2013, 10:09:38 PM »
They are always technically taxable. The IRS have not enforced this for various reasons, but if converted to cash they will be taxable.

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Re: A New Era For Citi Thank You Points
« Reply #475 on: February 10, 2013, 10:10:45 PM »
BTW this issue has been regurgitated on DDF numerous times...

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Re: A New Era For Citi Thank You Points
« Reply #476 on: February 10, 2013, 10:12:24 PM »
They are always technically taxable. The IRS have not enforced this for various reasons, but if converted to cash they will be taxable.
BS on both accounts. If they are taxable the IRS will enforce it.
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Re: A New Era For Citi Thank You Points
« Reply #477 on: February 10, 2013, 10:14:58 PM »
BTW this issue has been regurgitated on DDF numerous times...
On DDF/FWF/FT and the result has been the same. Sign up bonuses from personal CC's have not been treated as taxable.
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Re: A New Era For Citi Thank You Points
« Reply #478 on: February 10, 2013, 10:17:11 PM »
On DDF/FWF/FT and the result has been the same. Sign up bonuses from personal CC's have not been treated as taxable.
I fully agree with this statement.

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Re: A New Era For Citi Thank You Points
« Reply #479 on: February 11, 2013, 04:20:36 AM »
I fully agree with this statement.
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